Bagwell is the one that sticks out as being inexplicable. And Lee Smith getting over 50% of the vote is also ridiculous. I heard yesterday that only one guy has ever had more than 50% of the vote and not eventually gotten in. The only relief pitcher that should be in the hall of fame is Mariano Rivera. If they want to let more of them in then to me it's akin to letting in the place kickers to the NFL hall of fame. And saves shouldn't be the first thing they look at, just like extra points shouldn't be the criteria for an NFL kicker.
I don't know how I managed to post in this thread instead of the other one...
Yeah, Griffey and Maddux will get in.Randy Johnson and Frank Thomas as well. I can see the latter two having to wait at least one turn though because enough voters will choose to bypass the era. I just think anybody who isn't a top tier HOFer will have a tough time getting in because of the era.
jfg wrote:I don't know how I managed to post in this thread instead of the other one...
Yeah, Griffey and Maddux will get in.Randy Johnson and Frank Thomas as well. I can see the latter two having to wait at least one turn though because enough voters will choose to bypass the era. I just think anybody who isn't a top tier HOFer will have a tough time getting in because of the era.
I'd be shocked if The Big Unit didn't get in first blush. He is definitely a top tier candidate. He has the shiny stats: 300+ Wins, 5 Cy Youngs, 2nd all time in Ks by leading the league in 9 separate seasons. He led the league in ERA+ 6 times and ERA 4 times. He had a great peak and is one of the top 3 LHPs of all time.
Thomas might have problems due to being a DH, but his slash line of .301/.419/.555 is silly. I would hope he would get right in..
...Boston papers now and then suffer a sharp flurry of arithmetic on this score; indeed, for Williams to have distributed all his hits so they did nobody else any good would constitute a feat of placement unparalleled in the annals of selfishness. -Updike
I'd hope so too, but I don't have much faith in the voters. I'm not saying it will happen, I'm saying I could see it happening.
Here are the elite, cream of the crop players from that era (overlapping into the current)
Alex Rodriguez Barry Bonds Derek Jeter Ken Griffey Jr. Ivan Rodriguez Manny Ramirez Vlad Guerrero Mike Piazza Ichiro Sammy Sosa Frank Thomas Chipper Jones Roger Clemens Randy Johnson Greg Maddux Mariano Rivera Pedro Martinez
Out of these 17, I count 7 (correct me if I 'm wrong) that have either shown up on a list or had some steroid rumors around their name. There's probably a handful of guys outside this list that get in based on career accolades like Hoffman and Thome. I have a big problem with only 15 guys representing the era I grew up with.
Really? If that is the case, maybe my thinking on who should get in to the Hall has been way off. It feels like the early years of baseball are heavily represented along with the 40's-60's but I haven't looked at the actual numbers.
jfg wrote:Really? If that is the case, maybe my thinking on who should get in to the Hall has been way off. It feels like the early years of baseball are heavily represented along with the 40's-60's but I haven't looked at the actual numbers.
It would probably depend on what you consider to be an "era" if you want to dissect how highly a specific segment is represented. One thing most HoFers have in common is an extended career so it makes it pretty tough to classify them. Another thing to consider is that the older generations have not only had the BWAA elect the players that easily qualified, they also have had the Veteran's Committee add in several of the borderline or below players.
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