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Postby onitapgr » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:12 pm

12 team 5x5 standard roto league, 1500 IP limit
Our roster positions are C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, IF, 4 OF, Util, 3 SP, 3 RP, 3 P, 7 Bench, 2 DL
keep any 10 players indefinitely...these 10 keepers are your picks for rounds 1 through 10

These are my keepers right now...

1) C Carlos Santana (Cle - C,1B)
2) 1B Adrian Gonzalez (Bos - 1B)
3) 2B Robinson Canó (NYY - 2B)
4) 3B Jose Bautista (Tor - 3B,OF)
5) IF Eric Hosmer (KC - 1B)
6) SS Troy Tulowitzki (Col - SS)
7) SP Zack Greinke (Mil - SP)
8) SP Justin Verlander (Det - SP)
9) SP Stephen Strasburg (Was - SP)
10) Brett Gardner, Andre Ethier, or Brandon Beachy

Please evalutate these 3 trades for me...

My Tulo and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy for his Andrus and Cliff Lee
or
My Bautista and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy
for his Lawrie and Kershaw
or
My Tulo and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy
for his Hanley and Bumgarner or Josh Johnson
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Re: Evaluate these offseason trades...WHIR!

Postby pjalst » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:18 pm

If I were you I would stay put. But if you do deal, go with option #2(Lawrie/Kershaw) . I would hang onto Tulo, I don't see Andrus as a keeper here.
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Re: Evaluate these offseason trades...WHIR!

Postby lane_anasazi2 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:56 pm

That first trade is a big thumbs down. Downgrading a bunch at SS and giving up a useful OF/SP in order to get a good SP who isn't exactly young: not a good move.

The second trade is better. You're giving up the best player now for two guys who'll most likely be better for a longer stretch. Lawrie and Kershaw are both excellent keepers. This move makes sense to me. Kershaw is an elite talent and Lawrie has superstar potential.
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Postby fast dogs » Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:42 pm

I like your 7-3 H/P mix better than the 6/4 w Kershaw and as such would stand pat. I certainly think Andrus is a keeper in this format but wouldn't trade Tulo. The 2nd trade is fair enough I just wouldn't swap what you have
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Postby MaudDib » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:08 pm

I wouldn't touch the first trade. Tulo is worth way more than that.

I really like the second deal. Kershaw is just starting his reign as the best SP and while I like Bautista, he is over 30 and worth trading just for Kershaw let alone Lawrie as well.
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Re: Evaluate these offseason trades...WHIR!

Postby onitapgr » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:18 pm

Thanks all...

How about

My Tulo and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy for his Hanley and Bumgarner or Josh Johnson?
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Re: Evaluate these offseason trades...WHIR!

Postby Element » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:58 pm

onitapgr wrote:Thanks all...

How about

My Tulo and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy for his Hanley and Bumgarner or Josh Johnson?


I'm passing on that one as well. Hanley looks set to play 3B which would definitely reduce his value past this season.

I also like the 2nd deal for you. Your starters would be ridiculous.
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Re: Evaluate these offseason trades...WHIR!

Postby Urban Cohorts » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:01 am

onitapgr wrote:My Tulo and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy for his Andrus and Cliff Lee


This deal isn't even close for me. I think Andrus does remain a keeper, but you're giving up the best SS and then some for SS who will help you in 3 categories and an elite, yet old SP.


My Bautista and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy
for his Lawrie and Kershaw


This deal is closer, but I still would not accept. Kershaw is gold, but you already have a top notch SP core in Greinke, Verlander, and Strasburg. Lawrie has potential, but it is just that- potential. I wouldn't call him a top 3B yet- he hasn't played a full season. Bautista is the top 3B and one of the best. If Lawrie was a little more proven and you didn't have a great SP core, I would be tempted. But as is, your keepers make your team a SET contender. No way do I deal away a top player in that for youth.


My Tulo and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy
for his Hanley and Bumgarner or Josh Johnson


Not a terrible deal, but I wouldn't take it.

I guess it depends how much faith you have in Hanley. He will probably lose SS eligibility at some point... though maybe not. Who thinks Reyes will be 100% injury free? And when Reyes is down, I would imagine Hanley moves back over to get enough for the minimum requirement (at least for Yahoo). Bumgarner is high upside, but your SP is set. JJ is coming back from missing a season. Not worth much, let alone a Tulo deal, until he can prove he is healthy.
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Re: Evaluate these offseason trades...WHIR!

Postby lane_anasazi2 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:48 am

Yeah, that third deal is a no-go. You're undervaluing Tulo. With these keeper settings he's a top 5 player, for sure.
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Postby pjalst » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:08 am

onitapgr wrote:Thanks all...

How about

My Tulo and one of Gardner, Ethier, Beachy for his Hanley and Bumgarner or Josh Johnson?


I wouldn't do this trade either. Hanley had an off year and has to show that he can bounce back. Also with Reyes going to Miami, Hanley may be traded or moved over to 3rd. Bumgarner is good, but he hasn't reached elite status yet. Johnson is just a big injury risk, until he completes a season without major DL time, I would not put too much stock in him.
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