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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby mweir145 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:56 pm

converge241 wrote:im glad sox arent paying that to keep him and thx for the pick!

Because the Red Sox are really hamstrung by that massive payroll of theirs. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go out and give Madson basically the same contract.
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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby MasterX1918 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:52 pm

mweir145 wrote:
converge241 wrote:im glad sox arent paying that to keep him and thx for the pick!

Because the Red Sox are really hamstrung by that massive payroll of theirs. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go out and give Madson basically the same contract.

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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby SpecialFNK » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:44 pm

this Miami situation is interesting. they want big name big free agents. Jose Reyes and Albert Pujols fit that. BUT they already have Hanely Ramirez at SS and Gaby Sanchez at 1B. Sanchez is nothing great, so he wouldn't stand in the way of Miami wanting Pujols. imagine they would then trade Sanchez to fill other NEEDS.
I don't know what Florida's attendance was like in this season and back. they move into a new ballpark for 2012. what is attendance expected to be like? just because it's a new ball park, are they expecting big crowds? maybe that's why they want big names. seems like a big risk though.
Miami also has an offer out to Buehrle.
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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby MasterX1918 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:30 pm

usually teams who get new parks get the big names in order to draw attendance, not the other way around. They want to fill the stadium and get as much revenue from ticket sales as possible.
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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby SpecialFNK » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:23 pm

MasterX1918 wrote:usually teams who get new parks get the big names in order to draw attendance, not the other way around. They want to fill the stadium and get as much revenue from ticket sales as possible.


were the Marlins similar to the Rays as far as getting real low attendance? I've read that the Rays even with making the playoffs the last 2 seasons have not had really good attendance. I wondered if there was also a similar problem with the Marlins also being in the state of Florida. if the Marlins end up spending big bucks and fans don't want to come out, isn't there a big risk they could lose big money?
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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby kab21 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:12 pm

SpecialFNK wrote:
MasterX1918 wrote:usually teams who get new parks get the big names in order to draw attendance, not the other way around. They want to fill the stadium and get as much revenue from ticket sales as possible.


were the Marlins similar to the Rays as far as getting real low attendance? I've read that the Rays even with making the playoffs the last 2 seasons have not had really good attendance. I wondered if there was also a similar problem with the Marlins also being in the state of Florida. if the Marlins end up spending big bucks and fans don't want to come out, isn't there a big risk they could lose big money?


Yes. But they played in a terrible baseball stadium and received almost no revenue. But I find this spending a welcome surprise. Perhaps they can become a popular event in Miami because there is money to be spent there.
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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby Urban Cohorts » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:05 am

mweir145 wrote:
converge241 wrote:im glad sox arent paying that to keep him and thx for the pick!

Because the Red Sox are really hamstrung by that massive payroll of theirs. I wouldn't be surprised to see them go out and give Madson basically the same contract.


It looks like Bard has the job now. The GM was on the radio the other day saying he no longer was going to give Bard a chance to be a SP. This leads me to believe that the Sox will bring in some veteran non-closer RP and give Bard a shot at the job.

And it wasn't because the Sox were hamstrung. I don't see how any team can justify spending so much money on a RP for such a long contract. Even for a closer as good as Papelbon. RP are too volatile. Better to spend their money elsewhere.
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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby MaudDib » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:53 am

1-Albert Pujols, 1B: Cardinals - Hard to convince a fan base that a guy who has won 2 and played in 3 WS is not worth the money.
2-Prince Fielder, 1B: Texas - Sounds unlikely now but I have been calling it all year so might as well stick by it. Plus love to see that power in that stadium.
3-Jose Reyes, SS: Marlins - They seem pretty determined to get a big name and I think they might pay more than anyone else.
4-C.J. Wilson, SP: Yankees - Pretty desperate to get a SP
5-Jonathan Papelbon, RP: Already signed
6-Jimmy Rollins, SS: Brewers - They could use a SS but I think they don't get what they think they are getting
7-Roy Oswalt, SP: Texas - I think they want another SP
8-Heath Bell, RP: Padres
9-David Ortiz, DH: Red Sox - I don't think either one wants to leave this relationship
10-Aramis Ramirez, 3B: Cubs
11-Edwin Jackson, SP: Cardinals - After trading Rasmus, I think they need to keep something in that deal.
12-Michael Cuddyer, 1B/OF: Twins
13-Mark Buehrle, SP: Cardinals
14-Carlos Beltran, OF: Marlins - Again they want some big names
15-Ryan Madson, RP: Phillies - Dart throw here so might as well go with past team
16-Hiroki Kuroda, SP: Dodgers
17-Francisco Rodriguez, RP: Toronto
18-Erik Bedard, SP: Red Sox
19-Carlos Pena, 1B: Marlins
20-Grady Sizemore, OF: Indians (I think they give him another chance)
Yu Darvish, SP: Yankees
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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby Tavish » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:15 am

kab21 wrote:
SpecialFNK wrote:
MasterX1918 wrote:usually teams who get new parks get the big names in order to draw attendance, not the other way around. They want to fill the stadium and get as much revenue from ticket sales as possible.


were the Marlins similar to the Rays as far as getting real low attendance? I've read that the Rays even with making the playoffs the last 2 seasons have not had really good attendance. I wondered if there was also a similar problem with the Marlins also being in the state of Florida. if the Marlins end up spending big bucks and fans don't want to come out, isn't there a big risk they could lose big money?


Yes. But they played in a terrible baseball stadium and received almost no revenue. But I find this spending a welcome surprise. Perhaps they can become a popular event in Miami because there is money to be spent there.

I think the chances are higher that they are going to try to repeat the old Marlins blueprint of loading up for one season then selling everything off and trying to restock the farm system. I'm still fairly skeptical that Miami really cares that much about baseball.
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Re: 2011-2012 MLB Offseason

Postby Urban Cohorts » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:38 am

1- Albert Pujols, 1B: Stays with the Cardinals
2- Prince Fielder, 1B: Goes to the Blue Jays
3- Jose Reyes, SS: I actually believe the Marlins will land Reyes, but not the other star player names floating around
4- C.J. Wilson, SP: The Yankees need a SP or two badly and CJ tops the list of FA SP
5- Jonathan Papelbon, RP: Signed with PHI
6- Jimmy Rollins, SS: Remains in PHI
7- Roy Oswalt, SP: San Diego - Short term deal in a good pitchers park to boost his value for 2013/2014
8- Heath Bell, RP: Stays in San Diego
9- David Ortiz, DH: Signs with the Yankees
10- Aramis Ramirez, 3B: Red Sox - Moves Youkilis to DH to help keep him healthy and gives BOS a good backup bat at 1B/3B
11- Edwin Jackson, SP: Stays with the Cardinals
12- Michael Cuddyer, 1B/OF: Red Sox - Looks like a great fit for what Boston needs (another right handed OF/1B)
13- Mark Buehrle, SP: Signs with the Red Sox
14- Carlos Beltran, OF: Stays in San Francisco
15- Ryan Madson, RP: Signs with Toronto to put an end to their closer carousel
16- Hiroki Kuroda, SP: Stays with the Dodgers
17- Francisco Rodriguez, RP: Fits in well with the Marlins
18- Erik Bedard, SP: No idea here! If he is smart, he'll go to the NL West. I'll say Arizona
19- Carlos Pena, 1B: Brewers
20- Grady Sizemore, OF: Stays with the Indians
21- Yu Darvish, SP: New York Yankees
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