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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby zepfan » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:18 am

I took a look at some of the arguments in the popular mechanics article and wasn't too encouraged. A couple quick things I noticed. First about the "melted steel". It mentions that the towers didn't fall due to melted steel but rather due to twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel that gave out and caused the buildings to collapse, which would be fine and dandy, but it doesn't explain why so many people actually saw melted steel at the site.

It's funny the fire chief trying to debunk the theory says "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire..." So can I ask why was there melted steel in this one?? I wonder why they left that out.

Another one that I looked at said WTC 7 fell because of one support pillar at the bottom that gave out and caused the whole building to fall. If that were the case, the building still would have met resistance on the way down. It doesn't explain why the building came down at nearly freefall speed.

So,why are they leaving out this important information?

I was actually thinking more along the lines of these experts. Some of the most highly accredited people in their respective fields right there and lots of them. One of them even shaking hands with good ole Bill Clinton. As far as credibility goes, I'd say this video's about as good as it gets.

Also when I asked about the official story I meant the 9/11 commission report. Did you think it did a good job of answering everyone's questions?
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby wrveres » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:44 am

look, im not here to debate 9/11 conspiracy's with you. If you want to believe somebody under extreme duress saw melted steel and not "warped" steel, and that proves that Bush and the Israelis launched a missile into the Pentagon, so they could get Iraqi oil, i highly doubt anything i say here is going to change your mind. It's been made up.

I do find it interesting that you are skeptical of some 300 experts without an agenda coming together to debunk the conspiracy's with facts and science , but are so quick to think that citibank arrests people because they want to close their account.
As for your 2 hour long video, im not going to watch. It it produced by people with an agenda, and is designed to prove their heavily debunked theory's. And to be honest ive already spent countless hours watching Alex Jones, and people of his ilk routinely lie, and purposely skip over facts to "prove" that a Kennedy shot Lincoln with a Smith and Wesson in the conservatory with Colonel Mustard.

Curious though, is this why you started this thread? 9/11 conspiracy's? If so, i'l just stop now...
You could of just saved yourself some time, and put, im a truth-er in your sig, and everybody would have known where you stood. this is nothing new here. this stuff has been debunked 100 times over ... :-o
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby davidmarver » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:39 am

bigh0rt wrote:I thought this thread was about Marver's penis. Boom, roasted.

I am disturbed that you would like to know my penis.
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby zepfan » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:03 am

wrveres wrote:look, im not here to debate 9/11 conspiracy's with you. If you want to believe somebody under extreme duress saw melted steel and not "warped" steel, and that proves that Bush and the Israelis launched a missile into the Pentagon, so they could get Iraqi oil, i highly doubt anything i say here is going to change your mind. It's been made up.

I do find it interesting that you are skeptical of some 300 experts without an agenda coming together to debunk the conspiracy's with facts and science , but are so quick to think that citibank arrests people because they want to close their account.
As for your 2 hour long video, im not going to watch. It it produced by people with an agenda, and is designed to prove their heavily debunked theory's. And to be honest ive already spent countless hours watching Alex Jones, and people of his ilk routinely lie, and purposely skip over facts to "prove" that a Kennedy shot Lincoln with a Smith and Wesson in the conservatory with Colonel Mustard.

Curious though, is this why you started this thread? 9/11 conspiracy's? If so, i'l just stop now...
You could of just saved yourself some time, and put, im a truth-er in your sig, and everybody would have known where you stood. this is nothing new here. this stuff has been debunked 100 times over ... :-o



Ok well we don't have to talk about it but I am going to respond. You keep trying to associate Alex Jones with everything. The people in the video I posted are a pretty far cry from Alex Jones. They are Engineers and Architects who have listed their very impressive credentials just for people like you. Stop trying to associate everything with Alex Jones. :-S

Popular Mechanics is mainstream media. Please don't tell me that they do not have an agenda. You don't have to watch fox or CNN for long to know that. It's pretty insulting how stupid they think people are, really. You also mentioned the 300 or so scientists that put their efforts in the popular mechanics article. If you had watched the video for more than three seconds you would have heard the guy say that there are over 1000 experts that are supporting the studies done within. It's funny you stress "facts" when the article you posted so conveniently leaves many of them out. Your reaction when I pointed that out, sadly, was not surprising.

So thanks for exemplifying how quickly people fly off the handle and put up a wall when it comes to 911 and "conspiracy videos". If you ever cool down, you should give the video a shot. But you will need an open mind and you have to unstuck yourself from Alex Jones. There is even a part after the engineers talk which explains why people don't want to talk about it. The psychological aspect of the whole thing is just as fascinating.

And no, this isn't going to be a 911 thread but you're kidding yourself if you think it's a thing of the past. It's one of the major factors for an awful lot of the changes we've seen around the world in the last ten years and it's still having a huge effect up to this day. The laws that were changed from the Patriot Act are not insignificant to say the least.

Like I said, touchy subjects.
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby zepfan » Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:59 pm

So what do you call a conspiracy theory after it's confirmed to be true? Still the same thing? So why the negative connotation that comes with the term? Funny how the people who actually have the balls to talk about it are the ones who get ridiculed.

Gulf of Tonkin incident

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In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there were not any North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4. The report stated:

It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.


Nariyah testimony

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Nayirah (testimony) refers to the controversial testimony given before the non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a female who provided only her first name, Nayirah. In her emotional testimony, Nayirah stated that she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die. Though reporters did not have access to Kuwait at the time, her testimony was regarded as credible at the time and was widely publicized. It was cited numerous times by United States senators and the president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country and found the story of stolen incubators unsubstantiated. However, they did find that a number of people, including babies, died when nurses and doctors fled the country.

In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح‎) and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has since largely come to be regarded as wartime propaganda.


Niger Uranium forgeries

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The Niger uranium forgeries are forged documents initially revealed by Italian Military intelligence. These documents seem to depict an attempt made by Saddam Hussein in Iraq to purchase yellowcake uranium powder from Niger during the Iraq disarmament crisis.

On the basis of these documents and other indicators, the governments of the United States and the United Kingdom asserted that Iraq had attempted to procure nuclear material for the purpose of creating what they called weapons of mass destruction, referred to as WMD, in defiance of the United Nations Iraq sanctions.


So we have confirmation of at least three instances where the public was knowingly misled in order to justify and facilitate getting into another war. But hey, that was then and this is now. The government and media would not do this kind of stuff now, would it?
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby zepfan » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:08 am

Well, looks like Ghaddafi's out of the picture.

Gaddafi killed as Libya's revolt claims hometown
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby wrveres » Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:08 pm

Sunday will be the 2,232nd consecutive day that the U.S. has gone without being hit by a major hurricane. This is a big enough deal to be covered by the mainstream media. But of course it won't be.

On Dec. 4, a new record will be set for the number of days between landfalls of category 3 or stronger storms. The previous streak, according to Roger Pielke Jr., began on Sept. 8, 1900, and ended on Oct. 19, 1906, when the Great Galveston Hurricane hit.

The record won't be broken by just a day or even a week. Pielke, a professor of environmental studies at University of Colorado, says it will be crushed. "Since there won't be any intense hurricanes before next summer, the record will be shattered, with the days between intense hurricane landfalls likely to exceed 2,500 days," he writes in his blog.
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby Skin Blues » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:11 pm

I thought Cal Ripken's streak would never be broken.
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby wrveres » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:28 pm

According to data collected by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), Medicare has spent more than $240 million of taxpayer money on penis pumps for elderly men over the past decade, and will surpass a quarter of a billion dollars this year for costs since 2001.
The cost to taxpayers for the pumps more than quadrupled during that period, from a low of $11 million in 2001 to a high of more than $47 million in 2010. And these represent only the costs for external devices, technically classified as “Male Vacuum Erection Systems,” not implantable devices or oral drugs such as viagra.
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Re: tiny little things you might like to know thread

Postby zepfan » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:32 pm

Well, at least the money went back into the people. :-b
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