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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Lewis

Postby bayside » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:07 pm

why shouldn't it be?
why cant one coach make all pitching decisions, and another coach make the offensive substitutions and call plays?
(obv in the NL their would have to be much more coordination between offense/defense than in the AL.)

youre basically arguing that coaches are meaningless to the outcome of a baseball game (not saying i disagree btw)
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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Lewis

Postby kab21 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:58 pm

bayside wrote:why shouldn't it be?
why cant one coach make all pitching decisions, and another coach make the offensive substitutions and call plays?
(obv in the NL their would have to be much more coordination between offense/defense than in the AL.)

youre basically arguing that coaches are meaningless to the outcome of a baseball game (not saying i disagree btw)


I'm not completely sure you know the difference between baseball and a tactical sport like either form of football.
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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Lewis

Postby bayside » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:25 am

i do.
and you arent even attempting to answer the question
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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Lewis

Postby kab21 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:26 am

bayside wrote:i do.
and you arent even attempting to answer the question


How many decisions are there to make that it requires more coaches? And how does this player's manager retain any authority when he's not making decisions?

Advance scout teams tell the manager about defensive shifts against certain hitters. And they work with pitchers/catchers to work out a pitching strategy.

There are only 4 bench hitters and 7 bullpen pitchers and they have mostly defined roles. Are you really going to give someone independent authority for the 2-4 pitching changes done each night. Is this person really going to make fewer mistakes than the manager. 2nd guessing is easy.

If anything there should be less in game meddling by managers even if they have perfect SABR situational printouts. Baseball is largely a 1 on 1 sport with some teamwork on defense. It's not even remotely close to either form of football.
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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Lewis

Postby J35J » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:57 am

kab21 wrote:
bayside wrote:i do.
and you arent even attempting to answer the question


How many decisions are there to make that it requires more coaches? And how does this player's manager retain any authority when he's not making decisions?

Advance scout teams tell the manager about defensive shifts against certain hitters. And they work with pitchers/catchers to work out a pitching strategy.

There are only 4 bench hitters and 7 bullpen pitchers and they have mostly defined roles. Are you really going to give someone independent authority for the 2-4 pitching changes done each night. Is this person really going to make fewer mistakes than the manager. 2nd guessing is easy.

If anything there should be less in game meddling by managers even if they have perfect SABR situational printouts. Baseball is largely a 1 on 1 sport with some teamwork on defense. It's not even remotely close to either form of football.


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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Louis

Postby Mookie4ever » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:44 pm

Holy crap. TLR shows up at the football game and now the Rams are ahead of the Saints 17-0 at the half. This guy is a genius.
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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Lewis

Postby bayside » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:11 pm

kab21 wrote:
bayside wrote:i do.
and you arent even attempting to answer the question


How many decisions are there to make that it requires more coaches? And how does this player's manager retain any authority when he's not making decisions?

Advance scout teams tell the manager about defensive shifts against certain hitters. And they work with pitchers/catchers to work out a pitching strategy.

There are only 4 bench hitters and 7 bullpen pitchers and they have mostly defined roles. Are you really going to give someone independent authority for the 2-4 pitching changes done each night. Is this person really going to make fewer mistakes than the manager. 2nd guessing is easy.

If anything there should be less in game meddling by managers even if they have perfect SABR situational printouts. Baseball is largely a 1 on 1 sport with some teamwork on defense. It's not even remotely close to either form of football.


this is true. good explantion.
I was trying to play devils advocate and obv failed.

i do think it would be an interesting project if someone attempted to determine what the replacement value of an mlb manager is though, so that we can see exactly how much TLR and Wash hurt (or helped!?) their teams.
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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Louis

Postby Bwanna » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:45 am

Mookie4ever wrote:Holy crap. TLR shows up at the football game and now the Rams are ahead of the Saints 17-0 at the half. This guy is a genius.

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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Louis

Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:23 am

TLR just announced his retirement.
I really thought he would come back after the finish this year.
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Re: 2011 MLB Playoffs: congrats St. Louis

Postby StlSluggers » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:29 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:TLR just announced his retirement.
I really thought he would come back after the finish this year.

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