No love for the other speedier Weeks? He should be hittin these here rankins...That .300 avg, sbs and runs will be nice spread over 600 abs. Huge power showing towards end of 2011 as well. Skys the limit....
I assume most don't think Jemile is for real. The only good showing he's had in the minors was 184 at-bats as a 24 year old in the PCL. And he didn't steal very often, or with much success. He hit for a surprisingly good average this year in the majors, but still wasn't any good at stealing bases, which is where almost all of his potential value lies. That stats say he's due for a big regression. I'm not sure what scouts say, but I can't imagine it would make me want to take a chance on him next year considering the people drafting based on that .300 average and 22 SBs in a partial season.
Skin Blues wrote:I assume most don't think Jemile is for real. The only good showing he's had in the minors was 184 at-bats as a 24 year old in the PCL. And he didn't steal very often, or with much success. He hit for a surprisingly good average this year in the majors, but still wasn't any good at stealing bases, which is where almost all of his potential value lies. That stats say he's due for a big regression. I'm not sure what scouts say, but I can't imagine it would make me want to take a chance on him next year considering the people drafting based on that .300 average and 22 SBs in a partial season.
It's kind of difficult to do a statistical analysis for Jemile's MiLB career. He spent most of it getting injured or recovering from injury. But he's not a guy that really excites me unless I'm looking for a 2B/MI in rds 15-20. low power, not an elite SB guy and injury risk. He's like a Coco Crisp at 2B. Nice to have (I had him on 2 teams) but nothing to get excited about.
Nobody has mentioned the Posey/Mauer rankings yet? I'm not taking either of these guys that high. I try not to miss in the first 10 rds and then draft upside after that. I'll take McCann, Santana, Napoli or VMart 10 times out of 10 over them. And I'll probably target a guy like MMontero, Wieters or Avila in rds 8-12.
being a guy who got burned by both players I have to agree but i'm not sure if that fact should hurt their draft stock since they both carry tremendous upside. I too would rather have Montero or Matt Wieters, i'm not sure about Avila though.
Starting Pitcher Rankings: 1 Justin Verlander, DET 2 Roy Halladay, PHI 3 Clayton Kershaw, LAD 4 Cliff Lee, PHI 5 Felix Hernandez, SEA 6 Jered Weaver, LAA 7 CC Sabathia, NYY 8 Tim Lincecum, SF 9 David Price, TB 10 Zack Greinke, MIL 11 Dan Haren, LAA 12 Yovani Gallardo, MIL 13 Cole Hamels, PHI 14 Jon Lester, BOS 15 James Shields, TB 16 Matt Garza, CHC 17 Matt Cain, SF 18 Stephen Strasubrg, WAS 19 Chris Carpenter, STL 20 Josh Beckett, BOS 21 Ubaldo Jiminez, CLE 22 C.J. Wilson, TEX 23 Rickey Romero, TOR 24 Ian Kennedy, ARZ 25 Michael Pineda, SEA 26 Brandon Morrow, TOR 27 Anibal Sanchez, FLA 28 Gio Gonzalez, OAK 29 Madison Bumgarner, SF 30 Mat Latos, SD 31 Tim Hudson, ATL 32 Ervin Santana, LAA 33 Justin Masterson, CLE 34 Jeremy Hellickson, TB 35 Bud Norris, HOU 36 Max Sherzer, DET 37 Brandon Beachy, ATL 38 Daniel Hudson, ARZ 39 Wandy Rodriguez, HOU 40 Shaun Marcum, MIL 41 Tommy Hanson, ATL 42 Scott Baker, MIN 43 Matt Moore, TB 44 Johnny Cueto, CIN 45 Alexi Ogando, TEX 46 Roy Oswalt, PHI 47 Javier Vazquez, FLA 48 Hiroki Kuroda, LAD 49 Derrick Holland, TEX 50 Chad Billingsley, LAD 51 Rickey Nolasco, FLA 52 Johnathon Sanchez, SF 53 Jake Peavy, SD 54 Jair Jurrjens, ATL 55 Ted Lilly, LAD 56 Jamie Garcia, STL 57 Corey Luebke, SD 58 Gavin Floyd, CWS 59 Jhoulys Chacin, COL 60 Clay Bucholtz, BOS 61 Jeff Neimann, TB 62 Edwin Jackson, STL 63 Drew Pomeranz, COL 64 Trevor Cahill, OAK 65 Jordan Zimmerman, WAS 66 Doug Fister, DET 67 John Danks, CWS 68 Randy Wolf, MIL 69 Brandon McCarthy, OAK 70 Ivan Nova, NYY 71 Brett Anderson, OAK 72 Vance Worely, PHI 73 Ryan Dempster, CHC 74 Erik Bedard, BOS 75 Mark Beuhrle, CWS 76 Ryan Vogelsong, SF 77 A.J. Burnett, NYY 78 Colby Lewis, TEX 79 Aaron Harrang, SD 80 Fransisco Liriano, MIN 81 Fausto Carmona, CLE 82 Carlos Zambrano, CHC 83 Homer Bailey, CIN 84 Brett Myers, HOU 85 Wade Davis, TB 86 Edison Volquez, CIN 87 Josh Tomlin, CLE 88 Phil Hughes, NYY 89 Jorge De La Rosa, COL 90 Dallas Braden, OAK
Relief Pitchers: 1 Craig Kimbrel, ATL 2 Mariano Rivera, NYY 3 Jose Valverde, DET 4 Jonathon Papelbon, BOS 5 John Axford, MIL 6 J.J. Putz, ARZ 7 Heath Bell, SD 8 Drew Storen, WAS 9 Neftali Feliz, TEX 10 Carlos Marmol, CHC 11 Joel Hanrahan, PIT 12 Brian Wilson, SF 13 Andrew Bailey, OAK 14 Fransisco Cordero, CIN 15 Joakim Soria, KC 16 Chris Perez, CLE 17 Ryan Madson, PHI 18 Joe Nathan, MIN 19 Brandon League, SEA 20 Jordan Walden, LAA 21 Huston Street, COL 22 Kyle Farnsworth, TB 23 Mark Melancon, HOU 24 "Leo Nunez", FLA 25 Sergio Santos, CWS 26 Fernando Salas, STL 27 Javy Guerra, LAD 28 Frank Fransisco, TOR 29 Fransisco Rodriguez, MIL 30 Chris Sale, CWS
Starting Pitcher Rankings: 1 Justin Verlander, DET 2 Roy Halladay, PHI 3 Clayton Kershaw, LAD 4 Cliff Lee, PHI 5 Felix Hernandez, SEA 6 Jered Weaver, LAA 7 CC Sabathia, NYY 8 Tim Lincecum, SF 9 David Price, TB 10 Zack Greinke, MIL 11 Dan Haren, LAA 12 Yovani Gallardo, MIL 13 Cole Hamels, PHI 14 Jon Lester, BOS 15 James Shields, TB 16 Matt Garza, CHC 17 Matt Cain, SF 18 Stephen Strasubrg, WAS 19 Chris Carpenter, STL 20 Josh Beckett, BOS 21 Ubaldo Jiminez, CLE 22 C.J. Wilson, TEX 23 Rickey Romero, TOR 24 Ian Kennedy, ARZ 25 Michael Pineda, SEA 26 Brandon Morrow, TOR 27 Anibal Sanchez, FLA 28 Gio Gonzalez, OAK 29 Madison Bumgarner, SF 30 Mat Latos, SD 31 Tim Hudson, ATL 32 Ervin Santana, LAA 33 Justin Masterson, CLE 34 Jeremy Hellickson, TB 35 Bud Norris, HOU 36 Max Sherzer, DET 37 Brandon Beachy, ATL 38 Daniel Hudson, ARZ 39 Wandy Rodriguez, HOU 40 Shaun Marcum, MIL 41 Tommy Hanson, ATL 42 Scott Baker, MIN 43 Matt Moore, TB 44 Johnny Cueto, CIN 45 Alexi Ogando, TEX 46 Roy Oswalt, PHI 47 Javier Vazquez, FLA 48 Hiroki Kuroda, LAD 49 Derrick Holland, TEX 50 Chad Billingsley, LAD 51 Rickey Nolasco, FLA 52 Johnathon Sanchez, SF 53 Jake Peavy, SD 54 Jair Jurrjens, ATL 55 Ted Lilly, LAD 56 Jamie Garcia, STL 57 Corey Luebke, SD 58 Gavin Floyd, CWS 59 Jhoulys Chacin, COL 60 Clay Bucholtz, BOS 61 Jeff Neimann, TB 62 Edwin Jackson, STL 63 Drew Pomeranz, COL 64 Trevor Cahill, OAK 65 Jordan Zimmerman, WAS 66 Doug Fister, DET 67 John Danks, CWS 68 Randy Wolf, MIL 69 Brandon McCarthy, OAK 70 Ivan Nova, NYY 71 Brett Anderson, OAK 72 Vance Worely, PHI 73 Ryan Dempster, CHC 74 Erik Bedard, BOS 75 Mark Beuhrle, CWS 76 Ryan Vogelsong, SF 77 A.J. Burnett, NYY 78 Colby Lewis, TEX 79 Aaron Harrang, SD 80 Fransisco Liriano, MIN 81 Fausto Carmona, CLE 82 Carlos Zambrano, CHC 83 Homer Bailey, CIN 84 Brett Myers, HOU 85 Wade Davis, TB 86 Edison Volquez, CIN 87 Josh Tomlin, CLE 88 Phil Hughes, NYY 89 Jorge De La Rosa, COL 90 Dallas Braden, OAK
Relief Pitchers: 1 Craig Kimbrel, ATL 2 Mariano Rivera, NYY 3 Jose Valverde, DET 4 Jonathon Papelbon, BOS 5 John Axford, MIL 6 J.J. Putz, ARZ 7 Heath Bell, SD 8 Drew Storen, WAS 9 Neftali Feliz, TEX 10 Carlos Marmol, CHC 11 Joel Hanrahan, PIT 12 Brian Wilson, SF 13 Andrew Bailey, OAK 14 Fransisco Cordero, CIN 15 Joakim Soria, KC 16 Chris Perez, CLE 17 Ryan Madson, PHI 18 Joe Nathan, MIN 19 Brandon League, SEA 20 Jordan Walden, LAA 21 Huston Street, COL 22 Kyle Farnsworth, TB 23 Mark Melancon, HOU 24 "Leo Nunez", FLA 25 Sergio Santos, CWS 26 Fernando Salas, STL 27 Javy Guerra, LAD 28 Frank Fransisco, TOR 29 Fransisco Rodriguez, MIL 30 Chris Sale, CWS
I think putting Kimbrel 1st is placing too much stock into last year's numbers and that plagues owners every year. I'd still take the proven commodities like Rivera, Valverde, and now Axford over him without question. I would also take Doc as the #1 SP, he's been a top 10 overall player for like 5 years straight now.
solid effort. Coming from a NL only standpoint I'll give my humble observations. No Wainwright?! Hanson should be above team mate Hudson as Hanson is easily the best fantasy pitcher in ATL. Norris too high. Carp is too high. Jiminez!! WTF--way to high No Wainwright?!
wow- Brian Wilson gets hurt and he falls off the face of the earth?
well, it's easy to criticize than to create something like this so take my thoughts with a grain of salt. You provided a nice contribution.
I like your starting pitching rankings much better than your position ranks. good work here!
Just a few things i would change (and not that im right, just personal preference): --I would take Kershaw and Halladay over Verlander, but those are very clearly the Top 3 SP and you cant go wrong with any of them as the first pitcher off the board.
--I really like Garza where you have him. I think hes primed for a huge year. His K rate was way up this season and if he has even average luck he'll crack the top 20 by the end of next season.
--i would move CJ up right in the Cain/Garza neighborhood, as hes been pretty beastly the past 2 years. If he somehow ends up in the NL I might take him even higher.
--I think Beachy and Hudson are both too low, and expect them to both perform as top 30 pitchers next year. Beachy's K rate is for real. He will approach 200Ks in ~175 innings, and his ERA should be in the 3.4-3.7 range again. He'll be allowed to pitch deeper into games next year, and he has one of the best bullpens in baseball behind him, so he should be good for a healthy number of wins. Hudson is a good candidate to improve his strikeout rate (he currently has much higher swinging strike rate than you would expect for a guy who has such an unexceptional K%). And hell get his share of wins in AZ as well with that offense behind him adn the weak teams he faces so often.
--If Hanson is declared 100% healthy by the end of ST i would move him way up the list as well, but at this point his ranking is perfectly fine. Shoulder injuries are no joke.
--I would take Bumgarner ahead of all of Morrow, Beckett, Carpenter, Ubaldo, Sanchez, and Gio but i have to admit i am a huge Giants fan so I see pitch all the time. and actually i'd slide that entire trio of Carp/Becket/Ubaldo down 6-10 slots
--I think Moore has the potential to move the farthest up your list, as he may have an elite strikeout rate, has a great defense behind in a good pitchers park, and should get at laast 180 innings next year. Honestly the AL east thing doesnt scare me much. The only question is whether or not the TB front office is cheap (stupid) enough to keep him in AAA for the first 2 months.
--JZimm should be unleashed for a full workload next season and he was pretty dominant for a long stretch near the end of the year. His K's were a little disappointing but Id expect that to improve, and have him somewhere inside the top 45
again, most of these are pretty minor squabbles, good job
Would it be fair to assume you don't use ERA or WHIP in your leagues?
TribeIn2012 wrote:Starting Pitcher Rankings: 12 Yovani Gallardo, MIL 21 Ubaldo Jiminez, CLE 26 Brandon Morrow, TOR 27 Anibal Sanchez, FLA 35 Bud Norris, HOU 36 Max Sherzer, DET 39 Wandy Rodriguez, HOU
40 Shaun Marcum, MIL 41 Tommy Hanson, ATL 42 Scott Baker, MIN 48 Hiroki Kuroda, LAD 57 Corey Luebke, SD 65 Jordan Zimmerman, WAS 66 Doug Fister, DET 71 Brett Anderson, OAK 76 Ryan Vogelsong, SF
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