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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby wrveres » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:28 pm

i realize its early, but those rankings are horrible.
is anybody really going to draft Santana as their 1B ahead of Tex. I think those were just slapped together based upon some number, with no thought put into them at all.
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby mweir145 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:30 pm

wrveres wrote:
mweir145 wrote: Doubt the guy at your own risk, I guess. It's burnt a lot of fantasy owners (including me).
pfffft ... whatever. i just took down Ayebatters roto crew which had Baustista, Granderson, Ellsbury, and Fielder.

Sounds like you had a pitching staff.
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby wrveres » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:35 pm

nope, he actually had the better ratios and more saves. we tied in wins, but i did skunk him in K's
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby J35J » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:38 pm

wrveres wrote:i realize its early, but those rankings are horrible.
is anybody really going to draft Santana as their 1B ahead of Tex. I think those were just slapped together based upon some number, with no thought put into them at all.


Pretty much my thoughts, but didn't want to say it.
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby ensanimal » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:34 pm

J35J wrote:
wrveres wrote:i realize its early, but those rankings are horrible.
is anybody really going to draft Santana as their 1B ahead of Tex. I think those were just slapped together based upon some number, with no thought put into them at all.


Pretty much my thoughts, but didn't want to say it.


You can usually count on wr saying what you don't want to say. O:-)

And I agree.
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby bayside » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:26 pm

just some things that stood out on first glance:

1B
-both Tex and Hosmer too low. Tex probably the most glaring mistake i found on this list. Tex should in no way go outside the top 10 1B.
-Hosmer should be closer to #10 than to # 20
-Vmart and Santana way too high for 1B

2B
-Lawrie wont have 2B eligibility as he didnt play there at all in 2011
-I would rank Weeks a little higher but i can understand the concerns over his health, and his declining steal attempts. Legit 30HR power though.
-Uggla should be higher. next year he will not have the horrific start again that dragged down al his numbers.

3B
I would not take either Aramiz nor Zimm ahead of guys like Wright, Arod, maybe even Pablo.
I will also risk taking Lawrie higher than many guys ahead of him, but overal cannot argue to much with your 3B ranks considering all the uncertainty at the position due to injury in 2011.

SS
looks pretty good, no real issues for me here, just a couple minor tweaks i'd make.
-i think Bonifacio gets into the top 10 as long as hes going to continue batting leadoff for Ozzie Guillen (and i expect he will), especially in OBP leagues.
-i also think Starlin will be ahead of both Rollins and Andrus next year

OF
i agree for the most part, but i would have both Holliday and Stanton a bit higher, and Hamilton, Pence, Cruz lower.
Id take Justin Upton ahead of Cargo as well but that pretty minor
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby TribeIn2012 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:28 am

wrveres wrote:i realize its early, but those rankings are horrible.
is anybody really going to draft Santana as their 1B ahead of Tex. I think those were just slapped together based upon some number, with no thought put into them at all.


I would no doubt draft a catcher who can put up 30+ HR and walks 100+ times a year over a 1B who puts up basically the same numbers with a few more HR and RBI. How many catchers can hit 30 HR? 1. And how many 1B can hit .240 with 30-40 HR? A lot more than 1. Unless you already grab Posey or Martinez I wouldn't be able to defend taking Tex over Santana. I think it would be stupid.
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby Skin Blues » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:32 am

He's talking about 1B rankings. Nobody will take Santana/Napoli as a 1B, but the rankings should only consider the position they're being evaluated at. The only time this is an issue is at C, because all other positions are essentially the same in standard formats, except SS.
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby Inukchuk » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:37 am

TribeIn2012 wrote:I would no doubt draft a catcher who can put up 30+ HR and walks 100+ times a year over a 1B who puts up basically the same numbers with a few more HR and RBI. How many catchers can hit 30 HR? 1. And how many 1B can hit .240 with 30-40 HR? A lot more than 1. Unless you already grab Posey or Martinez I wouldn't be able to defend taking Tex over Santana. I think it would be stupid.


So much wrong with this, I'm not sure where to begin...

Since when do walks have any merit when discussing fantasy value?

How many catchers can hit 30 HR? Well, only Napoli did it last year. If you're talking ceilings, I'd say Napoli, Santana, Arencibia, McCann, Weiters, and Jesus Montero will all be threats to pop 25+. Not exactly a rare feat for a catcher.

Teix has never hit as low as 240. His days of 300 might be over, but I'd reasonably expect his avg going forward to settle in the 260 to 280 range, given some hit rate regression upward.

BTW, Santana hit 239 last year. Granted, his hit rate was awful (although not as bad as Teix's... just saying...), but there's that.

So no, it's not stupid to go Teix over Santana. I'll take the extra 10+ HR and 30+ RBI out of a proven quantity all day over a catcher with potential.
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Re: VERY EARLY 2012 Rankings

Postby Inukchuk » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:35 pm

mweir145 wrote:I'm not sure I'd expect a .300 average again (which came as a result of hitting like Bonds for 2 months), but the batting eye and power should be there. The guy's one of the best hitters in the game, I thought he had proven that by now.


He's had a weird 2 seasons in terms of batted balls. In 2010, his hit rate was pretty awful, even for someone with such a high FB%.

Last season though, he cut down on fly balls and became, in my opinion, a better hitter (as evidenced by that crazy walk rate). I agree that a 300 avg would be at the top end of what to expect, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him end up in the 280-290 range...

Out of curiosity, where would you take him in drafts as of right now?
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