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Postby RynMan » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:16 am

Anonymous wrote:Well Rynman....Other than getting shelled every other day, Rhodes is having a fine spring!


when has he been getting shelled? in spring training?
if you wanna call his 4.13 ERA a shelling then okay. but he has that nice one strikeout per inning u wanna see from a closer. and why the hell u would read anything into spring training stats anyway is beyond me!

oh and if your talking about him getting shelled last year - he was playing thru an ankle injury. and before that, he jus handed out shellings.
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Postby Ry-Guy » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:37 am

Just look at the past 3 Oakland closers.

Isringhausen, Koch, and Foulke. All 3 thrived as Oakland's closer. Rhodes could have a similarly good season.

Nathan is solid as well but I think he'll have Jesse Crain breathing down his neck if he falters early on.

I expect 38 saves for Rhodes and 34 for Nathan
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:38 am

Before that? You mean only the two seasons before that. He got shelled his entire 13 year career, including last year, except for 2 years in 2001 and 2002. He's never been a closer, and he's old. You guys can have him. He's going way too early in drafts for my liking.
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Postby Kegglers » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:44 am

the guy is throwing behind one of the best starting rotations in baseball. problems??[/quote]



nuff said
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:44 am

Ry-Guy wrote:Just look at the past 3 Oakland closers.

Isringhausen, Koch, and Foulke. All 3 thrived as Oakland's closer. Rhodes could have a similarly good season.


Why does everybody bring this up? What do Izzy, Koch, and Foulke have to do with Rhodes? Nothing. Being in Oakland doesn't make you a good closer; there is no magical water fountain that makes them great closers. Izzy and Foulke have always been good, Oakland didn't make them good. Oakland lost their pitching coach and All-Star catcher, who are the only ones who might have any common effect on the closer whatsoever.

And for those who think Billy Beane hand-picks these closers that nobody else can use their magic 8-ball to discover, that's a load of BS too.
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Postby Kegglers » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:46 am

damn. how do you quote someone properly?
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:57 am

Kegglers wrote:the guy is throwing behind one of the best starting rotations in baseball. problems??




nuff said[/quote]

Nuff said? Uh, I don't think so. What does that have to do with anything? Are they going to teach him how to pitch since they're so good? Save opps are what matters, and they had 60 last year, which is average. Good SP's doesn't mean lots of save opps. Chicago has one of the best rotations and an awesome bullpen, and they only got 51 save opps last year, which is pretty bad. Milwaukee got 72. There goes the theory of good SP's = lots of saves.

Billy Beane, Good Trio of SP's, magical water in Oakland that produces good closers, whats next? Miss Cleo picked him to break the single season saves record?
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Postby DieHardCubbie » Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:58 am

Kegglers wrote:damn. how do you quote someone properly?


Hit the quote button on the person you want to quote.....and delete out what you dont want .....

it should look like this....

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without the spaces...
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Postby LBJackal » Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:00 am

Kegglers wrote:damn. how do you quote someone properly?


Find the message you want to quote, click on "Quote" in the upper right hand part of it, and type your response underneath it. ;-D
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Postby RynMan » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:07 am

nah its cool cuz i am happy to take rhodes ahead of nathan. and how you can say a starting rotation has NOTHING to do with saves opportunities is a bunch of crap! the reason chicago didnt have many save opportunities is cuz they had a great offense to win by more than 3 runs - its not rocket science!!! in my mind oakland will give him alot of save opportunities because of the following:

1. great starting rotation to keep the games close
2. solid bullpen to get to rhodes
3. a crap offense that wont blow out a game!
4. great pitchers park

and u either believe that i guy can do the same in the 9th as he can in the 8th, or you dont and think he will be the worst closer in baseball. i personally subscribe to the frame of mind that it doesnt matter, 8th or 9th - 3 outs are 3 outs. also, 35 or more saves are 35 or more saves and that is value. oh and i love the "he's old" comment that gets dragged out whenever any1 over 32 is in question. i guess we should have written randy johnson off a while ago then. and trevor hoffman. and john smoltz. sure they are a class higher, but age really is not a valid argument. "He's old!" - u gotta be kidding me.

the only thing i agree with that you have said jackal is that past closers dont mean a thing.
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