garf112 wrote: If Rey Ordonez can play SS in the Major Leagues and offer no offensive value and we are back to a pitching and defense dominated game, he could definitely play as long as his defense comes along. Although, supposedly, he won't have the arm to stick at short and will most likely end up at second or in center.
Snead never OPSed higher than .700 in any of his minor league seasons. Hamilton's OPS is .712 in his 247 career minor league games and at least has the ability to get extra base hits. The Ks make him a huge question mark though.
The problem is that Hamilton isn't Ordonez at SS. At best he's average defensively but probably at 2B. The other problem is that he needed a .360 BAPIP to hit .278 last year. As he moves up in the minors (and eventually the MLB) he's probably going to hit <.250 with questionable plate discipline and low power. This is not the description of an MLB'er regardless of his 100 SB's.
kab21 wrote:The other problem is that he needed a .360 BAPIP to hit .278 last year. As he moves up in the minors (and eventually the MLB) he's probably going to hit <.250 with questionable plate discipline and low power. This is not the description of an MLB'er regardless of his 100 SB's.
Cop out answer. Since he has largely failed in one environment, he is doomed to repeat it the rest of his career.
I'm not saying he'll turn things completely around but players who are fantastic athletes without much baseball experience need to be given longer leashes. It's not even known whether he'll remain a switch hitter. Lastly, he's got elite range so theoretically he could remain at SS and Cozart could be moved.
One thing is certain though, he still needs a significant amount of development time so I agree with a previous poster that he won't do anything meaningful in the majors until sometime next season at the earliest.
kab21 wrote:The other problem is that he needed a .360 BAPIP to hit .278 last year. As he moves up in the minors (and eventually the MLB) he's probably going to hit <.250 with questionable plate discipline and low power. This is not the description of an MLB'er regardless of his 100 SB's.
Cop out answer. Since he has largely failed in one environment, he is doomed to repeat it the rest of his career.
I'm not saying he'll turn things completely around but players who are fantastic athletes without much baseball experience need to be given longer leashes. It's not even known whether he'll remain a switch hitter. Lastly, he's got elite range so theoretically he could remain at SS and Cozart could be moved.
One thing is certain though, he still needs a significant amount of development time so I agree with a previous poster that he won't do anything meaningful in the majors until sometime next season at the earliest.
No it's not. Plate discipline is a very difficult trait to drastically improve. Combine that with a frame that likely won't bulk up and you're looking at a pretty mediocre hitter. And most scouting reports think he'll move off of SS.
Of course he could become enough of an offensive threat and stick at SS but this would be my evaluation regardless of what organization he's in. I prefer prospects that start out with solid basic hitting skills instead of picking the ones where you just hope that they improve.
The Bonifacio comparison is a good one. These players are 100% speed. Their BA is based on speed + contact, ala Ichiro. You don't need good plate discipline, just good contact. They aren't great contact hitters, which is why they may hit .290 instead of .326 like Ichiro with the same approach.
Billy Hamilton is pretty athletic for a guy who is 146 years old. Back in 1894 he stole 100 bases while batting .403, scored 198 runs while walking 128 times, striking out only 19.
I wouldn't mind having those stats for my fantasy team
Team Izzy C Mauer 1 E5 2 Cano 3 ARam S Rollins CI LaRoche MI Altuve O Melky, Pagan, Morse, Hunter, Ruggiano SP Lee, Fister, Estrada, McCarthy, Lohse RP Chapman, Jansen, Frieri, Fujikawa Bench 1 Hart S Cabrera O Eaton U Ortiz P Marcum P Miller P Fernandez
With fantasy playoffs on the horizon or in some cases underway, how many of you are stashing this guy on your bench with hopes of some September action? He's got 143 stolen bases this season in the minors, shattering Vince Coleman's minor league record. I'm currently starting Mike Aviles at SS in a fairly deep league that allows for daily transactions, so I've decided to pick him up.
Team Izzy C Mauer 1 E5 2 Cano 3 ARam S Rollins CI LaRoche MI Altuve O Melky, Pagan, Morse, Hunter, Ruggiano SP Lee, Fister, Estrada, McCarthy, Lohse RP Chapman, Jansen, Frieri, Fujikawa Bench 1 Hart S Cabrera O Eaton U Ortiz P Marcum P Miller P Fernandez
even if he gets the call in September, will he start anywhere? Cozart has been playing well lately, hits in 8 straight games. still .252/.296/.416/.712 on the season though. if he gets the call up in September I could see him getting some starts, but also used off the bench pinch running. someone could maybe just keep Hamilton in the SS(MI) position even if he doesn't start and hope to pick up SB that way.
SpecialFNK wrote:even if he gets the call in September, will he start anywhere? Cozart has been playing well lately, hits in 8 straight games. still .252/.296/.416/.712 on the season though. if he gets the call up in September I could see him getting some starts, but also used off the bench pinch running. someone could maybe just keep Hamilton in the SS(MI) position even if he doesn't start and hope to pick up SB that way.
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by kab21 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:44 am 
