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What is the Greatest Record in baseball?

Poll ended at Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:48 am

Season HRs
2
6%
Career HRs
6
19%
Season Base Hits
1
3%
Career Base Hits
0
No votes
Consecutive Games With a Hit
13
42%
Consecutive Games With/Out an Earned Run
4
13%
Career Strikeouts
2
6%
Career Wins
2
6%
Career Steals
1
3%
 
Total votes : 31

Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby ensanimal » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:32 pm

Ugh, Murphy and Reyes down tonight. Thank god I'm not a Mets fan. :-°
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby bigken117 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:36 pm

consecutive games with a hit is the greatest record :-o I thought we were all smarter to realize there is so much luck involved in that. Granted, nobody's come within 20% of it, but with a little bit of luck and a lot of skill, it could happen.

look at career Wins, still approx a 20% lead for Cy Young over Walter Johnson, but nobody will ever reach that.
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby Tennessee Jed » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:03 am

We decided to extend our trade deadline in my Dynasty league a week, and 5 minutes before the deadline I made this deal:

I get: David Price (4 years, $26) and Javy Guerra (remainder of '11 season, $1)

He gets: Youkilis (3 years, $25) and Rios (remainder of '11 season, $17)

I think I done good ;-D
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby saemick » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:34 am

bigken117 wrote:consecutive games with a hit is the greatest record :-o I thought we were all smarter to realize there is so much luck involved in that. Granted, nobody's come within 20% of it, but with a little bit of luck and a lot of skill, it could happen.

look at career Wins, still approx a 20% lead for Cy Young over Walter Johnson, but nobody will ever reach that.


if you're saying that luck is involved in consecutive games with a hit, how about Wins in general? you're relying on your team to actually get you some run support to even get the Win. I believe it's been discussed here in the cafe at length that Wins are not indicative to how good/bad a pitcher really is, so if that's the case, why should we hold that as the greatest record? Sure Cy's record is extremely impressive, and probably will never be matched, but I just can't vote for career Wins as the greatest record.

Just my $0.02
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby thedude » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:03 am

saemick wrote:
bigken117 wrote:consecutive games with a hit is the greatest record :-o I thought we were all smarter to realize there is so much luck involved in that. Granted, nobody's come within 20% of it, but with a little bit of luck and a lot of skill, it could happen.

look at career Wins, still approx a 20% lead for Cy Young over Walter Johnson, but nobody will ever reach that.


if you're saying that luck is involved in consecutive games with a hit, how about Wins in general? you're relying on your team to actually get you some run support to even get the Win. I believe it's been discussed here in the cafe at length that Wins are not indicative to how good/bad a pitcher really is, so if that's the case, why should we hold that as the greatest record? Sure Cy's record is extremely impressive, and probably will never be matched, but I just can't vote for career Wins as the greatest record.

Just my $0.02


Well when Cy Young played, they were more indicative of pitching talent than today because pitchers always pitched complete games, unless they were so terrible that they they had to be pulled early, or the game went 20 innings. Cy Young, 815 games started, 749 complete games.

Of course, even back then luck had a lot to do with wins.
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby Skin Blues » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:31 am

Luck tends to even itself out over the span of 22 seasons in Cy's case, compared to 1/3 of a season in the case of the Clipper.
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby Tavish » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:11 am

Although not quite the same as the poll, here were the results from the Cafe Vote-Off for modern records from a few years ago.

1. 7 no-hitters - Nolan Ryan
2. 2632 Consecutive games played - Cal Ripken (1982-1998)
3. 59 Consecutive Scoreless Innings - Orel Hershiser (1988)
4. 130 SB - Rickey Henderson (1982)
5. 56 game hit streak - Joe DiMaggio (1941)
6. 29 Wins - Hal Newhouser (1944)
7. 7 Cy Young Awards - Roger Clemens
8. 7 MVP awards - Barry Bonds
9. .406 BA - Ted Williams (1941)
10. 383 Strikeouts - Nolan Ryan (1973)
11. 0.74 WHIP - Pedro Martinez (2000)
12. 1.12 ERA - Bob Gibson (1968)
13. 23 Triples - Dale Mitchell (1949)
14. 262 Hits - Ichiro Suzuki (2004)
15. 73 HR - Barry Bonds (2001)
16. 165 RBI - Manny Ramirez (1999)
17. 84 Consecutive Saves - Eric Gagne (2002 - 2004)
18. 59 Doubles - Todd Helton (2000)
19. 152 Runs - Jeff Bagwell (2000)
20. 57 Saves - Bobby Thigpen (1990)
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby Dan Lambskin » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:07 pm

Verlander might make a run at that 1st one
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby J35J » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:08 pm

Tavish wrote:Although not quite the same as the poll, here were the results from the Cafe Vote-Off for modern records from a few years ago.

1. 7 no-hitters - Nolan Ryan
2. 2632 Consecutive games played - Cal Ripken (1982-1998)
3. 59 Consecutive Scoreless Innings - Orel Hershiser (1988)
4. 130 SB - Rickey Henderson (1982)
5. 56 game hit streak - Joe DiMaggio (1941)
6. 29 Wins - Hal Newhouser (1944)
7. 7 Cy Young Awards - Roger Clemens
8. 7 MVP awards - Barry Bonds
9. .406 BA - Ted Williams (1941)
10. 383 Strikeouts - Nolan Ryan (1973)
11. 0.74 WHIP - Pedro Martinez (2000)
12. 1.12 ERA - Bob Gibson (1968)
13. 23 Triples - Dale Mitchell (1949)
14. 262 Hits - Ichiro Suzuki (2004)
15. 73 HR - Barry Bonds (2001)
16. 165 RBI - Manny Ramirez (1999)
17. 84 Consecutive Saves - Eric Gagne (2002 - 2004)
18. 59 Doubles - Todd Helton (2000)
19. 152 Runs - Jeff Bagwell (2000)
20. 57 Saves - Bobby Thigpen (1990)


All these are great but the one that just makes me shake my head most is .... 11. 0.74 WHIP - Pedro Martinez (2000) ... this is just silly.
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Re: 8/7 Venting, Cheering, Huff's Ding Dongs, and Lawrie

Postby Tavish » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:14 pm

Dan Lambskin wrote:Verlander might make a run at that 1st one

It been about 5 years since the Vote-Off and from the looks of things #20 was broken and #13 was tied. A-Rod made a serious run at #16 and #19. Verlander needs a couple more no-nos before Ryan should start to worry.
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