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Postby TheJordanRulz » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:32 pm

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Hey guys, regular poster on the basketball side here, but not so much for baseball.

So I've got a pretty significant saves lead and I'm looking to make a 2 for 1 deal and either trade a hitter+closer for a hitter upgrade or SP+closer for a SP upgrade. I've been offered Ellsbury for Tex+Kimbrel, which seems like a lot to give, but Jacoby has been great this year, better statistically than Tex. If I go with the hitter+closer for a hitter upgrade approach, I'm going to want an overall improvement in runs scored and RBI the most, but really a small improvement in as many hitting cats as I can get. I'm leading the league in saves by 31. In terms of upside for gaining points, I need more HRs and more RBI on the hitting side. Of course, that's where Tex contributes. I would need to maintain runs scored and RBI or I could quicky start losing points.

On the pitching side, I am looking for SPs who can get me wins with 5+ ks per game and good ERA and WHIP, but really, who isn't.

In terms of roster management, I could use a bench hitter so I wouldn't have a huge problem trading a closer straight up for a hitter if necessary.

I'm thinking the framework of a deal is here but a counter is neccesary. What do you guys suggest looking at our rosters below? Try Tex+Valverde for Ellsbury? Markakis+Kimbrel for him? Anyone is tradeable, just trying to construct a fair deal here. I know this guy is looking to move his innings cap guys - Zimmerman and Pineda - if that helps and I know he doesn't want to trade Kershaw for Kimbrel.

My roster:
C Jonathan Lucroy, Mil C
1B Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 1B
2B Ian Kinsler, Tex 2B
3B Ty Wigginton, Col 3B, 1B, 2B, OF
SS Emilio Bonifacio, Fla OF, 3B, SS
2B/SS Jose Reyes, NYM SS
1B/3B Mark Teixeira, NYY 1B
OF Nick Markakis, Bal OF
OF Alfonso Soriano, ChC OF
OF Brennan Boesch, Det OF
OF Dexter Fowler, Col OF
OF Colby Rasmus, Tor OF
UTIL Raul Ibanez, Phi OF
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P David Price, TB SP
P Shaun Marcum, Mil SP PP
P Andrew Bailey, Oak RP
P Craig Kimbrel, Atl RP
SP Zack Greinke, Mil SP
SP Ervin Santana, LAA SP
RP Neftali Feliz, Tex RP
RP Jose Valverde, Det RP
RP Sean Marshall, ChC RP
Bench Jered Weaver, LAA SP
Bench Vance Worley, Phi RP, SP
Bench Josh Collmenter, Ari SP, RP
DL Justin Morneau*, Min 1B, DH DL15
DL

Other guy's roster:
C Geovany Soto, ChC C
1B Billy Butler, KC 1B, DH
2B Ben Zobrist, TB 2B, OF
3B Ryan Zimmerman, Was 3B
SS Asdrubal Cabrera, Cle SS
2B/SS Jemile Weeks, Oak 2B
1B/3B Adam Dunn, CWS 1B, DH
OF Ryan Braun, Mil OF
OF Jacoby Ellsbury, Bos OF
OF Andre Ethier, LAD OF
OF Eric Thames, Tor OF, DH
OF Desmond Jennings, TB OF
UTIL Jason Kipnis, Cle 2B
Bench Gordon Beckham, CWS 2B
Bench Bobby Abreu, LAA OF, DH
-----------------------------------
P Hiroki Kuroda, LAD SP
P Ricky Romero, Tor SP
P Jordan Zimmermann, Was SP
P Michael Pineda, Sea SP
SP Brandon Morrow, Tor SP
SP Jonathon Niese, NYM SP
RP Sergio Santos, CWS RP
RP Jon Rauch, Tor RP
RP Jesse Crain, CWS RP
Bench Clayton Kershaw, LAD SP
DL Brian Roberts*, Bal 2B DL60
DL

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Re: Jacoby Ellsbury even close to worth Tex+Kimbrel? WHIR!

Postby jaredmack » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:50 pm

well one player i would look to target on his roster would be r. zimmerman, you would be buying low and his production will be much better than ty.
ellsbury is a great OF but with the Yanks in the race you have to assume that he is in tow for a tear like ushual right at the end of the season and playoff time for us
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Re: Jacoby Ellsbury even close to worth Tex+Kimbrel? WHIR!

Postby TheJordanRulz » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:08 pm

thanks for the comment. which hitter+closer combo do you think would be fair for zim? reyes+valverde maybe as a starting point? tex+valverde seems like a little much. I have enough of lead in saves that I could probably even do kimbrel+valverde/bailey.
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Postby whitheadsuxs » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:26 pm

if you could get markakis krimbrel thats a steal

id like owning tex long term hes 4th rated one bag on espn prk this is gonna be his best year as a yankee adding jacobys good but you know he can get injured tex is a mountain
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Re: Jacoby Ellsbury even close to worth Tex+Kimbrel? WHIR!

Postby sigriffey » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:40 pm

Try for Markakis and Kimbrel. I love Ells but Teix is steep price to pay given the power loss. Though Ells has been hitting them out...
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Re: Jacoby Ellsbury even close to worth Tex+Kimbrel? WHIR!

Postby TheJordanRulz » Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:48 pm

thanks guys. markakis+tkimbrel for ellsbury got shot down and the other guy made it clear he likes ells over tex. thinking i need to take this another direction or else i will be stuck overpaying for ellsbury. the crazy thing is that tex's strong points are RBI and HRs in the last month, ellsbury has been better than tex in all 6 of our hitting cats including a little better in HRs and rbi.

on the other hand, i have a nice surplus of saves and the last thing i want is to be stuck with all these extra saves come our trade deadline.
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Re: Jacoby Ellsbury even close to worth Tex+Kimbrel? WHIR!

Postby sigriffey » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:12 pm

You can afford to give him Tex + ... I just think Tex + Kimbrel is a bit much. Perhaps with a lesser closer i'd so it given that lineup ells hits in front of.
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Re: Jacoby Ellsbury even close to worth Tex+Kimbrel? WHIR!

Postby TheJordanRulz » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:19 pm

What about Tex+Bailey or Tex+Valverde?
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Re: Jacoby Ellsbury even close to worth Tex+Kimbrel? WHIR!

Postby MURocker » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:46 pm

Tex+Valverde would be fine to give up, but I would at least try to work the guy to throw in someone with Ells...maybe either J. Weeks or Beckham?
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Re: Jacoby Ellsbury even close to worth Tex+Kimbrel? WHIR!

Postby brila777 » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:29 pm

I agree with above thats too much. Go with original deal just get someone in return. Tex will hit more rbi and hr then ells in the next 2 months for sure!!!! Tell him that. You could use some speed on your lineup so dont hesitate to gets ells. Looking at the rosters he does need saves. How about you go with tex and feliz. Feliz, keep your eyes open for the bell texas trade.

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original deal get someone back rauch for example

do tex and feliz or your worst closer in your view for ells

I like the idea of going for zimmerman.



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