Neato Torpedo wrote:Yeah Government!
okay, i spent some time reading up on the Scandinavian prison systems, and its kind of interesting to say the least. At no point did i find anything that disproved my original point, that lack of education breeds crime. As a matter of fact once imprisoned, some of these prisons actually pay the prisoners to get an education.
First off. Using percentage of population in jail, and recidivism rates, are not the tools to be using here. The crimes rates remain unchanged. The Scandinavian system actually goes out of there way to avoid
putting people in prison. They'll try everything from mediation between the victim and criminal, to lots and lots of probation with ankle monitoring, anything but prison. So those rates aren't a fair comparison.
Secondly, i agree with a number things that they do. Im not talking free laptops and big screens, but for softer crimes, probation, monitoring, and an "Education" is a system i could get behind.
All of these countries still run a prison somewhere not unlike the United States, but its used for the worst offenders. Since there populations are a tiny percentage of the US, they obviously have quite a bit less of the hardened types.
One report i read claimed Finland saved $200 million over 20 years. That's nothing really. That's 10 million a year, or the equivalent yearly budget of your local McDonald's franchisee. So they aren't really saving. Something else i found is that the State itself, often pays the victim too, and im guessing that's totally different line in the budget.
Many of these "open society" prisons actually have a two to one guard to prisoner ratio, and everything is done electronically.
Another thing i found interesting, is that when a prisoner does get out of Jail, the state actually finds them a home and a job if needed, instead of letting them walk out the front door with a bus ticket. Again your dealing with a very small percentage of people here, which makes it relatively easy to manage.
Its different, i'll grant you that, and there are some things to be learned there, and many i could get behind. There are also many I could never get behind.
Even after all these changes over the last 30 years, their crime rates remain the same. They are just handled very differently.
So again ... Education is the key.
poor education breeds poverty. poverty breeds crime.
Its the same in Scandinavia cities too.