Strasburg apperently hit 95 on the gun recently. It will be interesting to see how he looks in september. he could certainly catapult himself into top 10 status. but rightnow, sight unseen, i don't think I could take him until at least 15 or 20.
Wainwright will be only 12 months removed from TJ when spring ends, Stras will be 18+months
Strasburg is a once a decade prospect pitcher, and we are talking keeper league. Stras might not be top 10 next year, but 2013+ he should be top 3. Im willing to take the leap early knowing I can hit the jackpot
rjforlife wrote:I'm sorry, but saying Greinke could make a case for top 3-5 is ludicrous. I understand he has been unlucky, but that doesn't magically change into an immediate top 5 SP. The K rate has been good but there is nothing else to fall back on besides sabermetrics. The fact is that the last 2 season the stats are not there, and you cannot justify a consideration for top 3-5. Greinke MAYBE slips into the top 10 if he turns around his "luck", but there are simply too many great pitchers right now to put a guy in the ranks who's numbers aren't even close to the guys above him.
Why did you put quotations around luck? He's having one of the unluckiest seasons I can possibly think of. Career high in K/9, his FIPs are almost half of what his ERA is and his LOB% is somewhere around 56 or 57% if I recall correctly. If he even approached his FIP numbers he'd easily be a top-10 pitcher. He'll be one of the best values off the board next year.
rjforlife wrote:I'm sorry, but saying Greinke could make a case for top 3-5 is ludicrous. I understand he has been unlucky, but that doesn't magically change into an immediate top 5 SP. The K rate has been good but there is nothing else to fall back on besides sabermetrics. The fact is that the last 2 season the stats are not there, and you cannot justify a consideration for top 3-5. Greinke MAYBE slips into the top 10 if he turns around his "luck", but there are simply too many great pitchers right now to put a guy in the ranks who's numbers aren't even close to the guys above him.
Why did you put quotations around luck? He's having one of the unluckiest seasons I can possibly think of. Career high in K/9, his FIPs are almost half of what his ERA is and his LOB% is somewhere around 56 or 57% if I recall correctly. If he even approached his FIP numbers he'd easily be a top-10 pitcher. He'll be one of the best values off the board next year.
he better start putting up top 10 numbers for the rest of this year or I'm gonna starts to get pissed.
rjforlife wrote:I'm sorry, but saying Greinke could make a case for top 3-5 is ludicrous. I understand he has been unlucky, but that doesn't magically change into an immediate top 5 SP. The K rate has been good but there is nothing else to fall back on besides sabermetrics. The fact is that the last 2 season the stats are not there, and you cannot justify a consideration for top 3-5. Greinke MAYBE slips into the top 10 if he turns around his "luck", but there are simply too many great pitchers right now to put a guy in the ranks who's numbers aren't even close to the guys above him.
Why did you put quotations around luck? He's having one of the unluckiest seasons I can possibly think of. Career high in K/9, his FIPs are almost half of what his ERA is and his LOB% is somewhere around 56 or 57% if I recall correctly. If he even approached his FIP numbers he'd easily be a top-10 pitcher. He'll be one of the best values off the board next year.
Most people thought he was one of the best values coming into this season as well.
I think most of us understand that he should be having a better year than what his numbers are showing but there is a point where you have to look at the actual numbers on the field. I would be more than willing to pick him up next year but there is no way I would want him for my #1 or even my #2. The guy has had one really amazing year and outside of that he has been all projection.
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rjforlife wrote:I'm sorry, but saying Greinke could make a case for top 3-5 is ludicrous. I understand he has been unlucky, but that doesn't magically change into an immediate top 5 SP. The K rate has been good but there is nothing else to fall back on besides sabermetrics. The fact is that the last 2 season the stats are not there, and you cannot justify a consideration for top 3-5. Greinke MAYBE slips into the top 10 if he turns around his "luck", but there are simply too many great pitchers right now to put a guy in the ranks who's numbers aren't even close to the guys above him.
Why did you put quotations around luck? He's having one of the unluckiest seasons I can possibly think of. Career high in K/9, his FIPs are almost half of what his ERA is and his LOB% is somewhere around 56 or 57% if I recall correctly. If he even approached his FIP numbers he'd easily be a top-10 pitcher. He'll be one of the best values off the board next year.
Most people thought he was one of the best values coming into this season as well.
I think most of us understand that he should be having a better year than what his numbers are showing but there is a point where you have to look at the actual numbers on the field. I would be more than willing to pick him up next year but there is no way I would want him for my #1 or even my #2. The guy has had one really amazing year and outside of that he has been all projection.
Im tired of bills so offered Utley/Ethier/Bills for Kinsler/Greinke. Greinke has pitched better as of late
I probably wouldn't pull the trigger on Strasburg at #10 either, but that's my guess where he'll finish. So, I guess my list is more, this is how I project pitchers to finish, rather than, this is how I will draft pitchers. I forgot about Wainwright, I'd probably place him right above Hamels.
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