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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby ATLbraves » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:24 am

fierro33 wrote:yes he will do JJ he is the one who proposed.....but 3b is a glaring need i suppose since ryan roberts is unknown


oh my fault I was thinking of Jordan Zimmerman, not Ryan Zimmerman.

If its Ryan then yes I would still do this trade, it would vastly improve your offense. Zimmerman is just starting his rehab assignments though so it will be another week or so for him to come back.
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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby fierro33 » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:25 am

do u prefer cruz/zimmerman over cruz/JJ?
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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby ATLbraves » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:32 am

fierro33 wrote:do u prefer cruz/zimmerman over cruz/JJ?


yeah for your lineup I definitely do
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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby jruffus1 » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:37 am

Thanks for the feedback.

I would definitely not go forward with this trade because even though your OF is deep, you are giving up the best player in the deal. Sure Crawford had a slow start, but he seems to be making up for it now. JJ is one of the best starters in the league, but who knows when he'll actually be ready to throw off a mound. Even when he can resume pitching, he's going to have to build up his arm strength again and that takes even more time.
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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby HOOTIE » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:15 am

Your SP is fine.
I would do Cruz/Zimmerman for sure.
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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby sinicalypse » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:31 pm

oh yeah, i'd make that trade even with the notorious injury risks of both nelson cruz and josh johnson.

aside from the injury risks, nelson cruz an fall off the face of the earth for a month or so at a time (much like he did b4 his DL stint) but then he can also get hot-as-feces and carry your team for 2-3 weeks at a time. this guy is trying to buy low on carl crawford, and hey, if you're able to trade him for two injury-riddled stars, that's something to go for. i consider corey hart a fantasy nothing here, as if you're on the ball you can usually come up with some sort of a hitter to provide stats close-to or even better than his... hell, even tho he's fallen off as of late, if you took a flier on lance berkman by now you got more production than maybe even 2-3 months of corey hart would give you.

josh johnson was looking like one of the best pitchers in baseball b4 the injury, and perhaps was even the frontrunner in the cy young category. i don't have to go on about him as you know what you'll get.

as for SBs, man, i see every day that rajai davis (~18-20 SB) and coco crisp (18SB) and juan pierre (10SB and like 10CS) are STARTED in only 33-38% of leagues, so like, there's a lot of people either not owning them or merely not starting tehm, so odds are you can wing a deal for one of the "lesser" SB guys and make up those SBs cuz you're going to come out ahead on this trade.

i don't know how long josh johnson is out for, or if this will be one of those ~2-3 week injuries that gets stretched out to ~4-5 weeks, but i'd roll the dice and take the better players and cash out on C-dub and take what you can get.

i am not part of the cult of ryan zimmerman so i can't endorse that move... i think he's the very essence of "fantasy-overrated" so i'd be hesitant to go and get him, cuz even when he is around i marvel at how he consistently ends up being a late-2nd/early-3rd round draft pick... i see it as a fantasy positive cuz that's one more player i'd never take getting selected instead of other players i would take.
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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby theblemishedone » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:07 pm

I like this trade for you.

The Marlins look legit, and Josh Johnson is a top tier pitcher, both in real life and in fantasy leagues.

Cruz>Hart
Johnson=Crawford

Johnson for Crawford is a give and take, but if you can be patient and stream some pitchers, then long term, it will do you good.

It's a shame you have no room for A. Lind. 8-o :-{ :-X X-I %-6 :-P
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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby fierro33 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:31 am

not afraid JJ will be shut down?
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Re: give up hart/crawford for cruz/josh johnson? WHIR

Postby theblemishedone » Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:48 am

Barring a catastrophe, JJ will not get shut down.

They have begun the rehab program and his arm is "getting stronger."

They're also moving him slow, so the Marlins are doing things right.

fierro33 wrote:not afraid JJ will be shut down?
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