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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby angels7777 » Wed May 25, 2011 11:24 pm

It's close enough o consider but I would wan more of a rue thing in return for Cain and I would not deal kemp myself...

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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby T bleep O » Wed May 25, 2011 11:41 pm

I'd stick with what you got on the first deal but I would take the second deal. Cain and Norris beat Ogando and Lilly anyday and it doesn't look like you need Rios (Joyce and Maybin have just as much potential). The Cliff Lee/Soriano for Kemp/Carlos Lee is pretty close tho in my opinion. As good as Kemp has been the Dodgers are looking pretty poor on offense and a poor offense around you holds back your run/rbi potential (i.e. Billy Butler, Jason Bay in PIT). In my opinion your pitching looks weak if Cain is your number 1, Cliff Lee would boost that tremendously. And I would take Soriano anyday over Carlos Lee.
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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby kidsilk » Thu May 26, 2011 3:04 pm

Ok, so basically my hard head and gut tell me I need to do at least one of these deals to be competetive this year. If you had to choose one which one would you choose? The Cain deal or the Kemp deal? I am leaning towards the Kemp deal because I have one of the best offenses in the league. My pitching just sucks. I could do both because the more quality pitchers you have that you can stream is the way to win in this league. Any more opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and leave your links.
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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby rjforlife » Thu May 26, 2011 3:12 pm

Norris vs. Ogando is close or even in Norris's favor due to a huge difference in K's. Baker is rosterable but thats about it. Lilly is ok but not great. Cain is an ace and is worth easily Baker/Lilly/Rios. Quality over quantity in this situation. It's a reasonable offer but if you could possibly condense it a bit and make Rios/Lilly into one very good outfielder I would be much more inclined to take this deal.


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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby curl » Thu May 26, 2011 3:35 pm

I'm going to go against the grain, and say I like this trade.

I don't think the difference between Baker and Cain by itself is all that great as people seem to think, especially if the Twins can start giving Baker some run support, which I do expect they will once Morneau, Young, Mauer are healthy and hitting. I also like Ogando a little more than Norris. Ogando is due for some regression as I suspect the peripheral numbers of the two will be fairly equal at the end of the season, except Norris will still be on the Astros. And Jansen might look like a closer of the future, but closer job security is so fickle, I don't think young guys like him are really worth the risk. Plus, you get another solid starter in Lilly (although his fastball velocity has been on a steady decline the last several years) and Rios who I'd very surprised if he doesn't end up approaching close to a 20-20 season.
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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby Millhouse » Thu May 26, 2011 4:02 pm

Thx for mine. Stay with Cain/Norris side of things, and don't even thnk of trading Kemp for Lee. I'm biased as a "bat" guy vs. an "arm" guy all things being equal, but still....I like your team without ogando/rios better than with.
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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby kidsilk » Thu May 26, 2011 9:27 pm

Anyone else since my last post? Please help and leave your links.
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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby billycent » Thu May 26, 2011 9:49 pm

You do need to do something about your pitching but the first trade is not the way to go. I actually just moved Ogando myself bc I believe he is likely to come down to earth a bit here soon and even if he doesn't he will def be held to an inn limit at some point... plus you would be giving up Cain... no way. The Kemp deal isn't bad and ur offense would def survive. So given those as ur two best trade options... thumbs up to the Kemp deal and down to the Cain deal. Thnx for the help on mine.
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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby jamesmeg » Thu May 26, 2011 11:17 pm

I think the Kemp side of the trade wins out over Lee side.

As for the blockbuster trade, lot of action to really analyze effectively. Don't think either side is especially better than the other though at first glance.
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Re: Rios,Ogando,Lilly,Baker for Cain,Norris, Jansen?(WHIR)

Postby rjforlife » Fri May 27, 2011 1:11 am

kidsilk wrote:Anyone else since my last post? Please help and leave your links.



You are forcing it. I understand the need to make a move but don't take these deals. Come up with something better. Kemp for Halladay/Felix/Lincecum? Cain/Norris for one of those guys?
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