Ender wrote:The whole Dave Duncan thing is largely a myth, he is a good pitching coach for sure but he hasn't really turned any bad pitchers into good ones. A manager who values defense over offense and playing in a pitchers park has more to do with it than anything. Most of the Dave Duncan projects have one good luck aided year and revert mostly back to normal the next year though.
Lohse has a history of falling apart so I'm not too optimistic but as long as you aren't relying on him to be like your #3 starter I fail to see a downside in giving him a chance.
I wouldn't call it a myth. A lot of times, we give Duncan too much credit and steal credit from the pitchers who overachieve so-to-speak. But a lot of the veteran pitchers he works with have success in a Cardinal uniform and THEN revert to normal the next year.
Woody Williams and Chris Carpenter are probably two of his biggest success stories. He also had decent success with acquired veterans like Jeff Suppan, Jason Marquis and Jeff Weaver (at times). Yes, those guys all played with some of the best defensive infields in the NL at the time. But that's Duncan's style-he preaches to pitch to defense.
And it's also worth mentioning that even though Lohse has never pitched like this for a full year, he looks a million times better than he ever did in Minnesota or Cincy.
"Oh, that Lankford and McGee, the trio of 'em. They're a one-man wrecking crew."