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Re: Having no catcher

Postby swyck » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:52 am

kickureface wrote:
Lordrevolution wrote:
kickureface wrote:and maybe more W/K/ERA/WHIP :D


Already refuted, only C can play in the C spot, so it's not like having the one guy at catcher is taking away from you having people at other positions.

i can carry another SP if i dont have a catcher is my idea


If you want to do it go ahead and do it, I like to see people try different tactics.

However, you've gotten feedback and it seems like it's not what you wanted to hear. I don't think this will work out, and others have told you why (you can't have more ERA/WHIP) and it's not that we don't follow your reasoning. Don't get upset when we don't anoint you a fantasy god right away. Come back in the off season and tell us how great this worked out for you, then we'll give you the props you deserve. :-b
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby Fpower » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:19 am

I can see the logic of this if there are valuable pitchers out there and you're getting absolutely horrible production out of your catcher spot. Seeing 0/4 every day gets old after a while.

Seems like a bad year to come up with the idea though, as there are a lot of catchers out there hitting well to start the year. I'd pick up someone who's hot, and then revisit this plan later in the season if needed.
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby kab21 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:25 am

I don't get it.

You want to get rid of the catcher because he'll hurt you in one category and help you in 3. But you want to use that roster spot to stream starters and your worst starter will hurt you in 2 categories and help you in 2. Really I don't get it. The logic fails.
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:32 pm

kab21 wrote:I don't get it.

You want to get rid of the catcher because he'll hurt you in one category and help you in 3. But you want to use that roster spot to stream starters and your worst starter will hurt you in 2 categories and help you in 2. Really I don't get it. The logic fails.


Well, he's not adding another pitcher to his lineup. He's adding another pitcher who would start occasionally (spot-start guy basically, or a stream spot). Unless he's adding innings, he shouldn't kill ERA/WHIP too much unless he picks poor spot starters.

Still, adding that "stream spot" is likely to have a negligible (though slightly positive) effect on ERA/WHIP/K/W. Whereas that C is going to have a pretty large effect on HR/R/RBI (even 10/40/40 is a big deal over 0/0/0), and a small effect on AVG (even a .250 AVG should only bring your team AVG down a point or two for the year, since your C is also likely to get fewer at-bats).

Now, H2H is a completely different animal. That really depends on the situation, opponent, etc. I can't see it being a good situation all year, but against certain opponents(if R/HR/RBI will not be competitive for that week) it may help you to not have a C.
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby kickureface » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:43 pm

i wont try, just heard of a winner who did that 1 year.
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby Johnatron » Fri May 06, 2011 6:40 pm

I play in an 11-team non-standard roto league (4 Offensive Categories: HR, SB, AVG, OPS and 4 Pitching Categories: SV, K, ERA, WHIP) and daily line-up changes. I'm currently in first place, but I'm considering dropping John Buck (3 HR, 0 SB, .235 AVG, .714 OPS) and picking up Yovani Gallardo or Travis Hafner off the FA.

Gallardo has been bad, but he has a lot of upside. And since we have daily line-up changes, he'll get me good additional K numbers. If he rebounds even a little back to what his career numbers are, he'll help with ERA and maybe WHIP too. If I went with Hafner, Hafner would be my on my bench with Adam Dunn (only 1 1B slot and 1 Util slot filled by Votto and Konerko respectively), but Hafner is lighting it up and if I don't own him, someone else will.

The consensus in this thread is definitely opposed to going without a catcher, but I think in some instances it could actually be a rather clever strategy. John Buck might get me 20 HRs during the course of the year while bringing my average down 3 or 4 points. Where as if I drop Buck, I could be getting Gallardo (200ish Ks) or Hafner (some HRs from the bench and average help, plus the benefit of other teams not having him). I would agree that in a standard format with Rs and RBIs, having no catcher all year could hurt, but if the only counting categories are HR and SB, I would frankly be surprised if more people weren't doing it.

I'm curious what other people think about this move.
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby Tennessee Jed » Sat May 07, 2011 12:50 am

Johnatron wrote:I play in an 11-team non-standard roto league (4 Offensive Categories: HR, SB, AVG, OPS and 4 Pitching Categories: SV, K, ERA, WHIP) and daily line-up changes. I'm currently in first place, but I'm considering dropping John Buck (3 HR, 0 SB, .235 AVG, .714 OPS) and picking up Yovani Gallardo or Travis Hafner off the FA.

Gallardo has been bad, but he has a lot of upside. And since we have daily line-up changes, he'll get me good additional K numbers. If he rebounds even a little back to what his career numbers are, he'll help with ERA and maybe WHIP too. If I went with Hafner, Hafner would be my on my bench with Adam Dunn (only 1 1B slot and 1 Util slot filled by Votto and Konerko respectively), but Hafner is lighting it up and if I don't own him, someone else will.

The consensus in this thread is definitely opposed to going without a catcher, but I think in some instances it could actually be a rather clever strategy. John Buck might get me 20 HRs during the course of the year while bringing my average down 3 or 4 points. Where as if I drop Buck, I could be getting Gallardo (200ish Ks) or Hafner (some HRs from the bench and average help, plus the benefit of other teams not having him). I would agree that in a standard format with Rs and RBIs, having no catcher all year could hurt, but if the only counting categories are HR and SB, I would frankly be surprised if more people weren't doing it.

I'm curious what other people think about this move.


Hafner will probably get you the same avg and hr's John Buck would
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby Johnatron » Sun May 08, 2011 1:05 am

I picked up Gallardo instead of Hafner. Gallardo rewarded me with his best start all season, 8 innings of one-hit, shutout baseball and 6 Ks. I'll take that over Buck's good but limited HR production and BA lowering any day. (Also, I do think Hafner's numbers this year are legit, so if I had gone with Hafner instead of Gallardo, I still think it'd work out)

I guess my point is that in a league with daily roster changes and few counting categories, playing without a catcher not only works, but is a strategy that most people should be employing. (Plus my team is heavy on closers, so every starter I can pick up will be necessary to help my K numbers)
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby kab21 » Sun May 08, 2011 1:48 am

Johnatron wrote:I picked up Gallardo instead of Hafner. Gallardo rewarded me with his best start all season, 8 innings of one-hit, shutout baseball and 6 Ks. I'll take that over Buck's good but limited HR production and BA lowering any day. (Also, I do think Hafner's numbers this year are legit, so if I had gone with Hafner instead of Gallardo, I still think it'd work out)

I guess my point is that in a league with daily roster changes and few counting categories, playing without a catcher not only works, but is a strategy that most people should be employing. (Plus my team is heavy on closers, so every starter I can pick up will be necessary to help my K numbers)


I think it's alright to drop Buck and pick up Gallardo. I think it's a great move actually. And it's okay to go with no catcher for a week or so. But I still think it's foolish to not have a catcher for the whole season. I looked at a few leagues and not having a 15HR, 50R and 50 RBI catcher would have dropped my team 2-5 places in each of those categories. And that isn't going to be regained by the improvement in BA.

I also think that there has to be better options out there than Buck especially if you are concerned about BA.
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Re: Having no catcher

Postby Johnatron » Sun May 08, 2011 3:46 am

Rs and RBIs aren't categories in my league, so I think I'm going to be okay.
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