Trade Question

[Conrax]

I am going to show the initial offer then my counter (both will have points based off of 2010 season according to league settings), then the scoring system then both rosters. My question is which trade do you think is the fairer trade, the initial or the counter or neither (if choose neither please explain)

General Information: The league is a 14 team, H2H points, basically 20 Keeper league.

His initial offering:
I give Ryan Howard (359.5 points (2010 season based on league scoring)
I get John Lackey (419.5 points)

My counter:
I give Ryan Howard (359.5)
I get Cliff Lee (541.5)

Scoring System:

Batting:
Singles (1B) 1 Doubles (2B) 2
Triples (3B) 3 Home Runs (HR) 4
Walks (BB) 1 Runs Scored (R) 1
Runs Batted In (RBI) 1 Stolen Bases (SB) 1
Strikeouts (K) -1 Intentional Walks (IBB) 1
Sacrifices (SAC) 0.5 Caught Stealing (CS) -1
Ground into Double Plays (GIDP) -1 Errors (E) -1

Pitching:
Innings Pitched (IP) 1.5 Earned Runs (ER) -1
Wins (W) 10 Losses (L) -5
Saves (SV) 3 Blown Saves (BS) -3
Strikeouts (K) 1 Walks Issued (BB) -1
Hit Batsmen (HB) -1 Pick Offs (PKO) 1
Complete Games (CG) 3 Quality Starts (QS) 2

The rosters:
Mine:
C Miguel Montero, Ari C
1B Ryan Howard, Phi 1B
2B Martin Prado, Atl 2B, 3B
3B Pablo Sandoval, SF 3B
SS Alcides Escobar, KC SS
OF Colby Rasmus, StL OF
OF Omar Infante, Fla 2B, 3B, OF
OF Austin Jackson, Det OF
UTIL Justin Morneau, Min 1B
BE Kendry Morales, LAA 1B
BE Dexter Fowler, Col OF
BE Jason Kubel, Min OF, DH
BE Chipper Jones, Atl 3B
BE Marco Scutaro, Bos SS
BE John Jaso, TB C
BE Nelson Cruz, Tex OF
BE Russell Martin, NYY C

SP Clayton Kershaw, LAD SP
SP Ubaldo Jimenez, Col SP
SP Jaime Garcia, StL SP
SP Jair Jurrjens, Atl SP
SP Fausto Carmona, Cle SP
RP Ryan Franklin, StL RP
RP Matt Thornton, CWS RP
BE Randy Wolf, Mil SP
BE Johan Santana, NYM SP
DL Zack Greinke, Mil SP

His Roster:
C Chris Iannetta, Col C
1B Michael Cuddyer, Min OF, 1B
2B Ben Zobrist, TB 2B, OF
3B Placido Polanco, Phi 3B
SS Miguel Tejada, SF SS, 3B
OF Andre Ethier, LAD OF
OF Aubrey Huff, SF 1B, OF
OF Curtis Granderson, NYY OF
BE Dustin Ackley, Sea 2B
BE Gaby Sanchez, Fla 1B
BE Juan Uribe, LAD 2B, 3B, SS
BE Alexi Casilla, Min 2B, SS
BE James Loney, LAD 1B
BE Scott Rolen, Cin 3B
BE Daric Barton, Oak 1B

SP Chris Carpenter, StL SP
SP Cliff Lee, Phi SP
SP CC Sabathia, NYY SP
SP Yovani Gallardo, Mil SP
SP Roy Oswalt, Phi SP
RP Carlos Zambrano, ChC SP, RP
RP Chris Narveson, Mil RP, SP
BE James Shields, TB SP
BE Ricky Romero, Tor SP
BE John Lackey, Bos SP

[Conrax]

any opinions/comments?

[Swipe79]

I don't think either trade looks even to me...and I'm not sure why you are trading Howard for more pitching...you have Kershaw, Jimenez, Greinke (DL I know, but he will hopefully be around most of the season). Another thing I noticed, is that he looks like the only slugger you have in your lineup right now - I do see Cruz on the bench. One other thing, in the Lackey/Howard trade, he is trading what looks like a spare (bench player) for a starter on almost any team...I personally try not to do those trades.

[Conrax]

I'll tell what happened, I have been wanting to trade one of my first basemen since I have 3 of them, and explained that I would rather keep Howard but if the right offer came along I wouldn't be opposed to trade him.

So the guy offers up the initial deal of Howard for Lackey which I declined and stated that probably the only thing that really interested me on his roster was Cliff Lee and even then I am not sure I would take because I'd rather upgrade my other infield spots. He then gave back a rude response berating me for even proposing a trade of Howard for Lee and citing how Lee was projected to produce 600+ points compared to Howard who was projected to only about 400 points. Then we basically went back and forth a little bit till I ended up blocking the guy from my email. Which lead to this initial post of asking which trade seemed fairer.

[Swipe79]

Sorry to hear it went South fast - hard to make deals when the other guy decides to escalate things to juvenile behavior.