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Postby GradySizemore » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:54 pm

Need help choosing 2 of 3, between;
Cole Hamels
Josh Johnson
Brian Wilson

It's a H2H points league. Pitcher points are 2 per Inning pitched, 10 per win/save, 1 for K, -1 for earned run, -.5 per walk issued and hit allowed, -5 per loss and 10 for a complete game.

For the most part closers and starters are pretty close. The only thing I'm nervous about is JJ's health. So I'm leaning towards Hamels and Wilson. What do you guys think?
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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby avsfan4ever33 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 9:55 pm

Go with both SPs. I don't see Wilson matching either of their values this season.
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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby Gags Sports » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:41 pm

Hamels and Johnson
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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby HOOTIE » Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:55 pm

Gags Sports wrote:Hamels and Johnson

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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby Andy117 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:12 am

Keep the starters. Closers are much easier to find than starters like Johnson.
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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby mpieco » Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:44 am

A save nets the same amount of points as a win (doesn't a good closer get about 3x the amount of wins as a pitcher)? And, walks and ERs (two things closers theoretically don't give up) are minus points?

The one thing that I think helps swing it to the SP's side is 2 points per inning pitched.

Let's say they pitch 7 innings, give up 3 runs, walk 2 batters, give up 6 hits, and strike out 8 (a typical day for Johnson/Hamels).

That means they score: 7*2 = 14 - 3 = 11 - 4 = 7 + 8 = 15

That's being a bit generous though. Walks/Hits/Runs negatively affecting the SPs is a big deal, since that would affect them much more than a closer. A closer theoretically doesn't give those things up, and rather just gets K's.

So a typical line for Wilson could be 1 IP, 2 K's, 1 hit, SAVE.

2 + 2 - .5 + 10 = 13.5

Closers pitch more often than SPs too. I don't know. I can't decide if SPs or closers come out better in this scoring system.




Sorry for my random thoughts. I'd keep Hamels definitely. Up to you on Johnson or Wilson. I think there are more pitchers out there like Johnson than there are Brian Wilson actually (which goes against what some people previously said). But, I don't think there is a wrong decision here.
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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby GradySizemore » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:07 am

Well in our league like I said closers and starters are pretty close scoring wise. Last year 4 of the top 10 scoring pitchers were closers, 2 of them in the top 5. I've typically preferred going with starters as they seem to be a bit more reliable and easier to predict.
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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby mpieco » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:37 am

Well, there are only 30 closers at any given time, whereas there are probably 125-150 SP at any given time.

If 4 closers finishing the year in the top 10 (and 2 in the top 5), then I think your choice is obvious. I think you need to keep Wilson.
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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby The Artful Dodger » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:18 pm

I'd go with Hamels and JJ. Saves can be volatile week to week and I'd rather go with two top starters to maximize innings and point potential.
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Re: Choose Two of Three!...WHIR

Postby mekman20 » Sun Feb 27, 2011 3:30 pm

With those (weird) settings, I'd keep Wilson. Sure, closers are easy to find, but Wilson showed he was for real for real last year...I think you'll get more value out of him than Hamels -- I'd actually think about keeping Hamels over JJ, though...

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