WaCougMBS wrote: Way too much agreement and cozying up by lastings in the last few days, and I think his votes look more orchestrated than jfgs from the outside. On Day 4 especially, there was a lot of piggybacking onto my Dan theories and then moving on to Lebo when I jumped ship.
lastings, feel free to chip in if I've missed something here.
you know my strategy. go nuts and flush out reactions from people. I think a lot of that flushed out wake and ken.
but once it came down to me, jfg, dan and lebo for the last mafia spot with coug and mookie as known townies, all the votes looked like the logical ones. so I followed suit. right away I thought jfg and dan were my prime suspects. due to both of their extremely strange actions throughout. jfg pulled and unbelievably ballsy moving trying to get people to vote for him and dan pointed out that he was he was the doctor and no one refuted him. for the time being, i believed them both. lebowski had been acting strange, had no defense for himself and had suspicious voting patterns. he was the obvious vote. we were wrong.
WaCougMBS wrote:And now? He's onto jfg, though it's only through proving his innocence - no attacks, no theories, no nothing...weird...
what exactly is it you want me to say, Coug? we know you are town. we know mookie is town. if I prove my innocence then we know jfg isn't town.
if you want an attack, a theory, a something.. here you go. jfg has acted strange the whole game. he was on mine and others initial list of suspects as this end game had started. jfg knew that he was toast unless he did something crazy enough to tip the scales. so he asked people to vote for him and put a vote for himself. this way if everyone plays along he dies, he was toast anyways. good game everyone. but if he doesn't die, he gives himself a great alibi and very well could be enough to keep him alive until the end. takes a big sack to pull that move and it was a good one. we'll see if it worked.
WaCougMBS wrote:jfg, an observation directed at you but with a need for thoughts Mook too:
Last night I was bored out of my mind at work and was watching closely to see who logged on (and when) to try and ascertain a possible connection to the mafioso. The day ended around 3:50 p.m. PST with your vote, and then you logged off for a few hours. In the meantime, GF was on pretty much the whole night (maybe on his phone, but he was checking constantly). Dan logged on about an hour/hour and a half later, and we know he was one of the two missing PMs. You logged on three separate times, around 6, 6:45 and 7:15 PST, the whole time while GF was online in one form or another. He didn't post the day until 2 hours later, though he did add that he was sorry for taking so long (in italics)...
Now, lasting has his online status hidden, so there's no way to confirm this for sure, but with you having ostensibly four chances to PM your kill vote in a five+ hour window for GF to post the day (and he's done so from his phone 1-2 of the other 4 days) if you were mafia, I think he would have posted it sooner.
Just a wild-ish theory, but thought I'd share since I noticed in my boredom at the ol' newspaper last night...
I'm not sure how the cafe tracks logins, but I left my browser open on my PC while I was out and checked my new PMs on my phone. It's a hassle to make a new thread on my phone so I just waited till i got home to do it. I was the limiting factor for when the new day went up, not the mafia. Just putting it out there because I would hate to be the reason that one side beat the other.
How is it a good game by Lastings once he wins Mookie? He's basically lurked the past 3 days while I've tried to help the town. My mistake was going after Lambskin, but obviously I wasn't the only one. I put the kill vote on Ken, thought I put the kill vote on Wake but it wasn't locked yet, and now started off the voting on Lastings. IF I was mafia I would have been voting to kill the last remaining mafia member- myself.
All Lastings has going for him is that Wake called him out as mafia when he was faking investigator. Other than that, he's been lurking.
WaCougMBS wrote:Man, this sucks - I was all ready to come in here and agree with you on lastings after I re-read and thought about it for a while
Mook, please don't badger, demean or anything else; I just have a couple of questions/thoughts I want your take on about lastings...
Doesn't the whole fighting with wake and ken just seem all to clean in that they kind of went at him hard while letting him never get that close to death while it was in a deadlock, and then they just went him him really hard again? I've seen this tried like 3 times this year where the mafia tries to create a super-absolved baddie by going after him a bit and letting him vote them off when need be. He had an early vote on wake, but that's partly because three people had expressed interest in killing him and he'd made a few missteps.
I think that you are overthinking and giving too much credit. Lastings acts like a loose cannon. That's just the way he plays.
He put in the penultimate vote on ken - allowing jfg to swoop in with the inevitable kill and try to claim innocenct. He also put in the penultimate vote on lebo allowing jfg to swoop in an kill off a townie before I came in to discuss it. Lastings also got the ball rolling on wake. If you will notice there that ken put in the kill shot on wake - there is a pattern here of mafia putting in kill shots on each other. I think that they discussed it and decided to sacrifice each other if the lynch looked inevitable.
He made only a few meaningful posts on Day 1 even though he had 16 total over those days. He voted for you, said a whole lot of nothing in between a couple of posts where he actually didn't act that crazy or do what he claims to do, mostly just threw a bunch of names out there and then voted for wake anyway. No townie votes, no bandwagons (since he just voted for you and then slipped away after that cooled for whatever reason) and it seems like ken was voting for him just because, and almost phrased things like he intended on changing to Aqua the whole time - if they killed four townies in two days and created a super mafia (via voting record, lack of ties, etc.) it would be worth it to try what I'm implying. Something about two mafia pushing THAT hard at a townie to paint him as mafia is my biggest stumbling block on this one...
I just think that lastings is wild enough and wake is smart/cocky enough to try something like this. AND, he's just been a bit too vanilla the last few days and with his post today for me to feel good about voting for jfg right now. Way too much agreement and cozying up by lastings in the last few days, and I think his votes look more orchestrated than jfgs from the outside. On Day 4 especially, there was a lot of piggybacking onto my Dan theories and then moving on to Lebo when I jumped ship. And now? He's onto jfg, though it's only through proving his innocence - no attacks, no theories, no nothing...weird...
That's just the way that lastings plays. As to him being on jfg now, well it's either him or jfg, so it he's a townie of course he's going to be on jfg.
I could be totally off base here and I'm sure you'll tell me when and why, but too many things stick out for me to decide quickly on this one...jfg by no means looks clean, but I just think that lastings being part of an orchestrated chaos at the beginning like this seems almost more plausible than jfg's weird lurking, screwy kill votes and insistence on killing himself when a number of people could have finished him off when he was a vote from death...
lastings, feel free to chip in if I've missed something here.
This looks to me like lastings being lastings and jfg with a couple of quick kill votes that make him look dirty. The only thing that gives me pause is the kill of whatshisname last night. That is the only thing in favour of voting for lastings but that's not enough for me. If lastings is mafia we've got to take our hats off to him and say "well played sir" but I suspect that he's a townie.
Mookie4ever wrote:please cougs. Don't overthink this and break your brain again. It's hell trying to find the parts.
I still have reservations, but after another re-read, I, too can't let jfg win if he is the baddie, and I think I got some comments from my long post that make it so I can sleep at night. At least this way I can also tip my hat to lastings and Co. for a well played game if they're bad and I can't be crucified by mookie for making the wrong call and ruining the game on my own - he won't change and the game has to end, so...
(hope I was right about him in the first place and just lost my way for a while )