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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby Tavish » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:20 am

AquaMan2342 wrote:Perhaps eventually for the Egyptian people too if the wrong people (Muslim Brotherhood) come into control. Hamas is practically a Palestinian offshoot of the Brotherhood and we are all aware of how violent they have been in the past.


Things can eventually go wrong for any country if the wrong people come into control. That the democracy is setup so that the choices those in control make reflect the will of the people is more important than who is actually in control. Who knows, maybe the protesters spent the last few weeks trying to oust Mubarak because they want to put in place a government that supports Jihad and fundamentalist Islamic law. I would certainly like to think not and judging by the random street interviews that doesn't seem the case, but if it is then that is something that will have to be dealt with by Western nations as threats arise.
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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:28 am

All I'm saying is that in a time of relative chaos, a relatively unorganized group of people may hastily look to those who are relatively organized to avoid the possible headache of long-term uncertainty. In Egypt's case that's the Muslim Brotherhood which would not be good for Egypt, Israel or the West.
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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:57 am

AquaMan2342 wrote:All I'm saying is that in a time of relative chaos, a relatively unorganized group of people may hastily look to those who are relatively organized to avoid the possible headache of long-term uncertainty. In Egypt's case that's the Muslim Brotherhood which would not be good for Egypt, Israel or the West.


I agree that this would not be good, although I'm really not convinced that it's going to be the case. Given the oppressive rule that the Egyptians have been under for 30 years, as well as what they just had to go through to finally end that period, I don't think the new ruler is going to be based merely on who happens to be the most organized at this point in time. Perhaps that's too optimistic a viewpoint, but I foresee this ending well.
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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby wrveres » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:01 pm

updated today

About eight-in-ten Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan (82% each) endorse the stoning of people who commit adultery; Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt are also the most supportive of whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; 82% in Pakistan and 77% in Egypt favor making this type of punishment the law in their countries. When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law.


oh, and wait til you hear their thoughts on women .. ..
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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby Art Vandelay » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:11 pm

Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt are also the most supportive of whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; 82% in Pakistan and 77% in Egypt favor making this type of punishment the law in their countries.

Maybe Madison is Muslim.
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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby wrveres » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:13 pm

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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby Madison » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:21 am

wrveres wrote:updated today

About eight-in-ten Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan (82% each) endorse the stoning of people who commit adultery; Muslims in Pakistan and Egypt are also the most supportive of whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery; 82% in Pakistan and 77% in Egypt favor making this type of punishment the law in their countries. When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law.


oh, and wait til you hear their thoughts on women .. ..


What am I missing? :-?

Art Vandelay wrote:Maybe Madison is Muslim.


Maybe Art should have read the link:

In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that harsh punishments should be the law in their countries. About three-quarters of Turkish and Lebanese Muslims oppose the stoning of people who commit adultery (77% and 76%, respectively), as does a narrower majority (55%) of Muslims in Indonesia. Opposition to whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery and the death penalty for people who leave Islam is even more widespread in these three countries; 86% of Muslims in Lebanon, 82% in Turkey and 61% in Indonesia are against making harsh punishments for robbery and theft the law in their countries, and 93%, 91% and 64%, respectively, object to the death penalty against those who leave the Muslim religion.


So being Muslim doesn't equal being in favor of harsh punishments. Nice stereotyping though! ;-D

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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby Tavish » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:28 pm

It is getting closer to time to rename this thread to "the battle for the Middle East". Algeria, Yemen, Jordan were all considered fairly likely targets of civil unrest, but I'm not sure who many people expected it to spread to Iran. Add in the protests in Bahrain and the powder keg that has been the Middle East is exploding on itself.
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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:39 pm

Tavish wrote:It is getting closer to time to rename this thread to "the battle for the Middle East". Algeria, Yemen, Jordan were all considered fairly likely targets of civil unrest, but I'm not sure who many people expected it to spread to Iran. Add in the protests in Bahrain and the powder keg that has been the Middle East is exploding on itself.

Considering the concern that these might be fundamentalist uprisings, I was surprised to see the news out of Iran.
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Re: the battle for Cairo

Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:47 am

All of the talking heads talking about how bad this is for the US are cracking me up.

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