Bagwell and the HOF?

[bigken117]

they really need to make a roiders wing in the HoF for all these guys from the steroids era

Then we need a wing for the greenie era 1960 on.

and a segregated era.

and a raised mound era

[Dan Lambskin]

it should really just be separated into 3 eras
Pre-Strasburg
Strasburg
Post-Strasburg

[dAnzac]

Then we need a wing for the greenie era 1960 on.

and a segregated era.

and a raised mound era

and the post-Sal Fasano era

[Tavish]

it should really just be separated into 3 eras
Pre-Strasburg
Strasburg
Post-Strasburg

Cole Hamels disagrees with this. And for good measure, Jeter was robbed.

[thedude]

Bagwell got 41.7% of the vote. I say he gets more support next year and gets in sometime in the next 5 years.

[Tavish]

Bagwell got 41.7% of the vote. I say he gets more support next year and gets in sometime in the next 5 years.

Yeah, 41% is a stronger showing than I thought he would get. I hate to see him wait but it would be nice to see him and Biggio go in together (assuming Biggio gets enough support).

[Curtis Pride]

Maybe I'm missing something. What makes Bagwell the prototypical roider other than he says he didn't do them?

a) The eye test
b) Punching Judy minor league numbers
c) Sudden career crash

So Hanley Ramirez is a roider? (also it's "punch and judy", not "punching judy"

And in regards to the "eye test". Have you seen pictures of Roberto Alomar early in his career? Andruw Jones? Ken Griffey, Jr? Frank Thomas? People gain weight as they age. And the fact that Bagwell got incredibly muscular, so what? That means he had to be roiding?

I know people that have 9-5 jobs who are cut up and gained muscle. Let alone the fact that he entire job is to be in shape. How is that hard to imagine that someone can gain a bunch of muscle by eating right and spending 2 hours a day in the gym for a decade?

The fact is, Bagwell never tested positively. Bagwell was never accused of 'roiding during the whole '04 blowout. Bagwell never showed up on any list of suspected 'roiders. There is absolutely no rational reason to lump him in with the 'roiders.

And as an aside, why are Thome, Griffey, and Frank Thomas given a free pass in regards to 'roids. If anyone ever dared suggest that Griffey 'roided they'd be beaten down. But Bagwell. Sure, we'll just create this alternate reality where everyone in baseball thought Bagwell was roiding.

[Tavish]

And as an aside, why are Thome, Griffey, and Frank Thomas given a free pass in regards to 'roids. If anyone ever dared suggest that Griffey 'roided they'd be beaten down. But Bagwell. Sure, we'll just create this alternate reality where everyone in baseball thought Bagwell was roiding.

The Alomar vote is interesting to me because now we are starting to get very close to players who played pretty much their entire career within the steroid era. I think how the voters handle the high HR hitters vs the more balanced players will be pretty telling when it comes to their hypocrisy. Their is easily as much evidence that Alomar roided as their is that Bagwell did (which is basically none other than whom they played with and when they played) but I'm fairly certain that anyone who hit that 40 HR threshold in a season will be treated much differently than those who didn't.

[Curtis Pride]

And as an aside, why are Thome, Griffey, and Frank Thomas given a free pass in regards to 'roids. If anyone ever dared suggest that Griffey 'roided they'd be beaten down. But Bagwell. Sure, we'll just create this alternate reality where everyone in baseball thought Bagwell was roiding.

The Alomar vote is interesting to me because now we are starting to get very close to players who played pretty much their entire career within the steroid era. I think how the voters handle the high HR hitters vs the more balanced players will be pretty telling when it comes to their hypocrisy. Their is easily as much evidence that Alomar roided as their is that Bagwell did (which is basically none other than whom they played with and when they played) but I'm fairly certain that anyone who hit that 40 HR threshold in a season will be treated much differently than those who didn't.

Except Griffey. It's like the media is willing him to be steroid free. They talk in absolutes about how he's the only one who's career isn't clouded? Why? He had just as much of an abrupt jump in power. His body broke down, and his career production fell off a cliff.

Make no mistake, I'm not accusing Griffey of 'roiding. I'm doing the exact opposite, actually. I just find it odd that Griffey, Frank Thomas, and Thome are all just assumed to be clean - and I have no idea why. They have all of the same issues as Bagwell. Big power, Big guys, never accused by anyone of 'roiding.

[BitterDodgerFan]

cuz griffey didnt seem to have much muscle
even he said himself he has no muscles