knapplc wrote:If I want to be taken seriously and regarded as a professional at my job I wear a shirt and tie, or on some occasions a suit. Reporters don't have to dress this way, and certainly do not (always) when covering practice of various teams. But the fact is that not all jeans outfits are created equal. Not all shirts/blouses are created equal. She was foolish for having put herself in that situation, just as the players making comments were foolish for behaving boorishly.
Whether she is taken seriously as a reporter and regarded as a professional doesn't matter. How someone dresses doesn't open them up to sexual harassment (well, clearly is does, but it shouldn't). Saying she "put herself in that situation" is akin to the old "she was asking for it" if a rape victim was dressed provocatively (no, I'm not comparing what happened to her to rape).
Again, what if this was a cheerleader, would they still be partially to blame because of how they were dressed, or is it only reporters who have to dress according to someone else's ridiculous standards of what's appropriate?
If a man dressed as scandalously as that while attempting to interview women in a locker room - for argument's sake, lets say a speedo and a bow tie, since attire is irrelevant - you know damn well who would be accused of sexual harassment if comments were made about his package. And its not the women. Flip the situation and all of a sudden its the players that are being sexually harassed by being made uncomfortable around a half-naked man. In my opinion, dressing like that is condoning, if not asking, for that kind of response. They didn't touch her after all, they made comments about how she looked. Yes, she "asked for it", and is not a victim, so this is not blaming the victim, no matter how many straw men you want to bring into the situation.
knapplc wrote:If I want to be taken seriously and regarded as a professional at my job I wear a shirt and tie, or on some occasions a suit. Reporters don't have to dress this way, and certainly do not (always) when covering practice of various teams. But the fact is that not all jeans outfits are created equal. Not all shirts/blouses are created equal. She was foolish for having put herself in that situation, just as the players making comments were foolish for behaving boorishly.
Whether she is taken seriously as a reporter and regarded as a professional doesn't matter. How someone dresses doesn't open them up to sexual harassment (well, clearly is does, but it shouldn't). Saying she "put herself in that situation" is akin to the old "she was asking for it" if a rape victim was dressed provocatively (no, I'm not comparing what happened to her to rape).
Again, what if this was a cheerleader, would they still be partially to blame because of how they were dressed, or is it only reporters who have to dress according to someone else's ridiculous standards of what's appropriate?
If a man dressed as scandalously as that while attempting to interview women in a locker room - for argument's sake, lets say a speedo and a bow tie, since attire is irrelevant - you know damn well who would be accused of sexual harassment if comments were made about his package. And its not the women. Flip the situation and all of a sudden its the players that are being sexually harassed by being made uncomfortable around a half-naked man. In my opinion, dressing like that is condoning, if not asking, for that kind of response. They didn't touch her after all, they made comments about how she looked. Yes, she "asked for it", and is not a victim, so this is not blaming the victim, no matter how many straw men you want to bring into the situation.
I was going to say that you don't seem to understand what a straw man argument is, but you have such great examples of them in your own post that you must. I didn't say she is a victim, in fact, if you've read the thread, I previously stated explicitly that she is not a victim, but don't let that stop you from setting up and knocking down those straw men.
Following that logic, anyone wearing a Packers jersey in Illinois is asking for a football to the groin. Of course I should just let it go and let them wear whatever they want, but I only shoulder some of the blame for actually going through with it and throwing a football at his nuts, because he was practically begging for it.
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Neato Torpedo wrote:Following that logic, anyone wearing a Packers jersey in Illinois is asking for a football to the groin. Of course I should just let it go and let them wear whatever they want, but I only shoulder some of the blame for actually going through with it and throwing a football at his nuts, because he was practically begging for it.
The last time I remember hearing about a TV Azeteca, was when they sent a TV reporter to the Superbowl media day dress in a wedding dress and had her propose to Tom Brady.
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