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KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby twistedude » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:09 am

I've been offered the following deal in my 14 team roto keeper. we keep 5 at the cost of their draft round value (in brackets), standard 5x5 categories.

I give:
Tim Lincecum (rd 5)
Evan Longoria (16)

I get:
Joey Votto (4)
Justin Verlander (8)
Clayton Kershaw (9)
Jose Bautista (24)

I'm in second place right now, but the first place team is well ahead (nearly 20 points separate us). This deal gives me a short term boost because Longoria and Lincecum are both struggling, but it also gives me some nice long term options. Thing is, it would make narrowing my keepers down to 5 a very tough decision. Also, it would be very tough giving up Longoria, who has been the cornerstone of my team for a few years now.

My questions:

1. Should I do this deal? why?
2. If I accept, which 5 players on my updated roster would you keep?

My Team (current keeper round values in brackets)

C - Buster Posey (12)
1B - Derrek Lee
2B - Brandon Phillips
SS - Starlin Castro (24)
3B - Evan Longoria (16)
IF - Nick Swisher
LF - Matt Holliday
CF - Adam Jones
RF - Andre Ethier
Util - Adam Lind (14)
BN - Angel Pagan
BN - Mike Lowell

SP - Tim Lincecum (5)
SP - Javier Vazquez
SP - Tim Hudson
RP - Heath Bell
RP - Jose Valverde
RP - Matt Capps
P - Gavin Floyd
P - Johnny Venters
P - Matt Thornton
BN - Edinson Volquez
BN - Madison Bumgarner
BN - Josh Beckett
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby Bjorne Greece » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:29 am

twistedude wrote:I've been offered the following deal in my 14 team roto keeper. we keep 5 at the cost of their draft round value (in brackets), standard 5x5 categories.

I give:
Tim Lincecum (rd 5)
Evan Longoria (16)

I get:
Joey Votto (4)
Justin Verlander (8)
Clayton Kershaw (9)
Jose Bautista (24)

I'm in second place right now, but the first place team is well ahead (nearly 20 points separate us). This deal gives me a short term boost because Longoria and Lincecum are both struggling, but it also gives me some nice long term options. Thing is, it would make narrowing my keepers down to 5 a very tough decision. Also, it would be very tough giving up Longoria, who has been the cornerstone of my team for a few years now.

My questions:

1. Should I do this deal? why?
2. If I accept, which 5 players on my updated roster would you keep?

My Team (current keeper round values in brackets)

C - Buster Posey (12)
1B - Derrek Lee
2B - Brandon Phillips
SS - Starlin Castro (24)
3B - Evan Longoria (16)
IF - Nick Swisher
LF - Matt Holliday
CF - Adam Jones
RF - Andre Ethier
Util - Adam Lind (14)
BN - Angel Pagan
BN - Mike Lowell

SP - Tim Lincecum (5)
SP - Javier Vazquez
SP - Tim Hudson
RP - Heath Bell
RP - Jose Valverde
RP - Matt Capps
P - Gavin Floyd
P - Johnny Venters
P - Matt Thornton
BN - Edinson Volquez
BN - Madison Bumgarner
BN - Josh Beckett


Absolutely do it. I think. You're getting quite a bit more than what you're giving up in my opinion
5 to keep: Kershaw, Verlander, Votto, Phillips and then pick between Bautista (if you think the power is real), Pagan, Ethier or Castro. Sorry, but I have a touch choice going between those last 4. It's a nice looking team. Maybe you can look to put some of your guys together (after the trade) and maybe give up 2-3 players for 1 big time guy. Do that before you go thinking about keepers - you have plenty of players worth keeping
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby JohnnyBenchBest Ever » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:42 am

yes do it, it's a great deal for you
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby PinStripe Pride 718 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:25 am

I do this deal in a heartbeat yhe 5 keepers would be {not in any order}
1.votto
2.verlander
3.phillips
4.posey
5.holliday or kershaw

thanks for the help with mine
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby ensanimal » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:51 am

I don't think I could do it. Lincecum is still good value as a 5th rounder but Longoria as a 16th rounder is insane. I don't think I could ever give that up. You would be getting some good guys back, but none are really huge bargains, except for Bautista, but people are still up in the air if he can repeat.

I still think for long term, Lince/Longo is the best combo, especially with some of your other choices you have to keep.
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby Galileo » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:44 pm

ensanimal makes a good point. The round value for Longoria really popped out at me too. How can Longoria be equated with the 16th round??? Is that a misprint??? I would keep Longoria and Lincecum, personally.
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2B - Wigginton
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby karateexplosion » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:46 pm

I have to agree with the last comment. Long term, you aren't really going to beat the Longoria/Lincecum package. Votto and Longoria are both young guys that can rake, but I'd rather have a 3b of Longoria's talents with a 16th round tab on him. And I would rather have Lincecum than either Kershaw or Verlander. Thing is, all these guys together makes it hard to say either way. If you really are more concerned with the keeper aspect of the trade, you won't want to lose Longo and Lincecum, but if you think that you can catch first place, the trade will help a lot in the short term. In the end, I guess I would probably do it (with a sigh), and spend the next few seasons scared to check Longoria's box scores so I don't have to be confronted with his break out year.

Thanks for your comments on mine.
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby twistedude » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:50 pm

Thanks for the comments so far...

I decided to pass on the offer. Longoria @ 16th round value is too good to give up.

I countered with Lincecum for Verlander and Bautista.
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby Darth Danielus » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:43 pm

Yeah. Gotta say I was kinda shocked by all the 'yes' votes on this deal... Both longo and lincy were grabbed much later then they ought to have been. And in a 14-teamer? I can't even make sense of that. None of what you were getting back is so exciting to make losing the 2 first-round-quality studs worth letting go, to say nothing of the extra picks (you keep 9 of the top 10, and the top 4 without doing this deal.)
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Re: KEEPER DEAL: Longoria/Lincecum for this package? WHIR

Postby garf112 » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:50 pm

agreed. Longoria at 16th round value is ridiculous.
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