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Postby StlSluggers » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:38 am

I love Wall Street:


Maybe I'm missing something, but it sure sounds like the market is keen on the idea that they'll make more "free" money in a flat economy than they will in a rising one.

:-[
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Postby GoodOl'Days » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:14 pm

Shoot I guess everyone wants to be apart of some socialist-welfare state.
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Re: The Economy, Stock Market, and Whatever...

Postby RugbyD » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:26 pm

Profligate liquidity propped up housing prices for quite some time. Now the liquidity pump is propping up equity prices. Dollars being pumped into the system have to go somewhere. In this case it seems like a combination of buying th asset itself and comsumers buying products such that earnings multiples can continue to support the asset prices. It a hard market to want to invest in, but an even scarier one to short.
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Re: The Economy, Stock Market, and Whatever...

Postby StlSluggers » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:43 pm

Another technical glitch with a stock's price?

Seems like these are happening more often lately.
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Postby StlSluggers » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:55 pm

Lots of fear out there today. Plenty of talk of a double-dip, which should mean more stimuless. :-[
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Postby StlSluggers » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:14 pm

Hoenig calls Fed policy 'dangerous gamble'

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- In a sharp critique of Federal Reserve policy from a sitting policy member, Thomas Hoenig said Friday that zero interest rates were "a dangerous gamble" in a period of moderate growth.

In a speech in Lincoln, Neb., the president of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank warned that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and his allies were risking a repeat of the cycle of severe recession and unemployment.

"A zero policy rate during a crisis is understandable, but a zero rate after a year of recovery gives legitimacy to questions about the sustainability of the recovery and adds to uncertainty," Hoenig said.

"Monetary policy...cannot solve every problem faced by the United States today. In trying to use monetary policy as a cure-all, we will repeat the cycle of severe recession and unemployment in a few short years by keeping rates too low for too long," he warned.

Hoenig has dissented at every Fed policy meeting this year including at the latest meeting Tuesday when the Fed decided to add more stimulus to the economy by purchasing long-term Treasuries to keep its balance sheet stable. See earlier story.

"There may be ways to accelerate GDP growth, but in my view, highly expansionary monetary policy is not a good option," he said.

Hoenig wants the Fed to commit to a slow and gradual increase in the target Federal funds rate.

In an interesting twist, Hoenig finds himself as one of the most bullish officials about the economic outlook. He argued that the economic news was not as bad as reported in the media and described by Wall Street experts.

"While monthly data may be mixed, the trend data are consistently positive," Hoenig said.

Job growth may be less than hoped for but is positive nonetheless, he said.

"While we are not where we want to be, the economy is recovering and, barring specific shocks and bad policy, it should continue to grow over the next several quarters," Hoenig said.

The markets had an interest in downplaying the strength of the recovery, he said.

"Of course the market wants zero rates to continue indefinitely: They are earning a guaranteed return on free money from the Fed by lending it back to the government through securities purchases," he said.


"We would all like to see a stronger recovery, but slow growth is not a decline in growth and we should not react hastily," he said.

The current recovery is stronger than the last two, he said.

Hoenig dismissed fears of a Japanese-style deflation.

"I find no evidence that deflation is the most serious threat to the recovery today," he said.

Regarding the underlined section:

StlSluggers wrote:it sure sounds like the market is keen on the idea that they'll make more "free" money in a flat economy than they will in a rising one.

I hate bedfellows. :-t
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Postby RugbyD » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:00 pm

TennCare rocks!!!!
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Re: The Economy, Stock Market, and Whatever...

Postby StlSluggers » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:31 pm

haha bara cobohma haha :-b
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Postby StlSluggers » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:30 pm

China Overtakes Japan in 2Q as No. 2 Economy

(CBS) Japan lost its place as the world's No. 2 economy to China in the second quarter as receding global growth sapped momentum and stunted a shaky recovery.

Gross domestic product grew at an annualized rate of just 0.4 percent, the government said Monday, far below the annualized 4.4 percent expansion in the first quarter and adding to evidence the global recovery is facing strong headwinds.

The figures underscore China's emergence as an economic power that is changing everything from the global balance of military and financial power to how cars are designed. It is already the biggest exporter, auto buyer and steel producer, and its global influence is expanding.

China has been a major force behind the world's emergence from deep recession, delivering much-needed juice to the U.S., Japan and Europe. Tokyo's latest numbers, however, suggest that Chinese demand alone may not be enough for Japan or other economic giants.

"Japan is the canary in the goldmine because it depends very much on demand in Asia and China, and this demand is cooling quite a bit,'' said Martin Schulz, senior economist at Fujitsu Research Institute in Tokyo.

"This is a warning sign for all major economies that just focusing on overseas demand won't be sufficient.''

China has surpassed Japan in quarterly GDP figures before, but this time it's unlikely to relinquish the lead.

China's economy will almost certainly be bigger than Japan's at the end of 2010 because of the huge difference in each country's growth rates.
China is growing at about 10 percent a year, while Japan's economy is forecast to grow between 2 to 3 percent this year. The gap between the size of the two economies at the end of last year was already narrow.

Japan's nominal GDP, which isn't adjusted for price and seasonal variations, was worth $1.286 trillion in the April-to-June quarter compared with $1.335 trillion for China. The figures are converted into dollars based on an average exchange rate for the quarter.

Japan has held the No. 2 spot after the U.S. since 1968, when it overtook West Germany. From the ashes of World War II, the country rose to become a global manufacturing and financial powerhouse. But its so-called "economic miracle'' turned into a massive real estate bubble in the 1980s before imploding in 1991.

What followed was a decade of stagnant growth and economic malaise from which the country never really recovered. Prime Minister Naoto Kan now faces a long list of daunting problems: a rapidly aging and shrinking population, persistently weak domestic demand, deflation, a strong yen and slowing growth in key export markets.

In contrast, China's growth has been spectacular, its voracious appetite fueling demand for resources, machinery and products from the developing world as well as rich economies like Japan and Australia. China is Japan's top trading partner.

China's rise has produced glaring contradictions. The wealth gap between an elite who profited most from three decades of reform and its poor majority is so extreme that China has dozens of billionaires while average income for the rest of its 1.3 billion people is among the world's lowest.

Japan's people still are among the world's richest, with a per capita income of $37,800 last year, compared with China's $3,600. So are Americans at $42,240, their economy still by far the biggest.

"We should be concerned about per capita GDP,'' said Kyohei Morita, chief economist at Barclays Capital in Tokyo. China overtaking Japan
"is just symbolic,'' he said. "It's nothing more than that.''

But the symbolism may be exactly the "wake-up call'' Japanese leaders need, said Schulz of the Fujitsu Research Institute. "Japan is always strangely inward looking,'' he said. "And nobody is doing anything about it.''

Japan's people appear resigned to the power shift. A national poll conducted earlier this year by the Asahi, one of Japan's biggest newspapers, showed a roughly equal split between those that believed Japan's fall to No. 3 posed a major problem and those who did not. More than half of the 2,347 respondents said Japan does not need to be a global superpower.

The country's annualized growth in the second quarter was also sharply below expectations of 2.3 percent in a Kyodo news agency survey of analysts. On a quarterly basis, Japan's GDP or the total value of the nation's goods and services grew 0.1 percent from the January-March period, the Cabinet Office said.

Consumer spending, which accounts for about 60 percent of GDP, was flat from the previous quarter, the figures showed. Capital spending by companies rose 0.5 percent, while public investment fell 3.4 percent.
The outlook for the third quarter is uncertain. Private consumption appears to be solid so far, helped in part by unusually hot weather, said Masamichi Adachi, senior economist at JP Morgan Securities Japan. But the slowing global economy is weakening exports and production.

A stronger yen, which hit a 15-year high against the dollar last week, also poses a major risk for the country's export-driven economy. Yen appreciation reduces the value of repatriated profits for companies like Toyota Motor Corp. and Sony Corp. and makes their products more expensive abroad.

The currency worries led Finance Minister Yoshihiko Noda to say last week that he is closely monitoring foreign exchange rates. Bank of Japan Gov. Masaaki Shirakawa released a similar statement to try to calm markets.
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Re: The Economy, Stock Market, and Whatever...

Postby knapplc » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:00 pm

Barring calamity, China will be #1 and remain #1 for some time.
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