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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby Art Vandelay » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:23 am

thedude wrote:
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knapplc wrote:
I must have missed the time where we voted that marriage was only between a man and a woman. Link?

That, quite literally, is what Prop 8 was about: "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." Of course, the Proposition pertained only to California, but this ruling (if it stands) could set national precedence.



Well it will be appealed to the 9th. Then SCOTUS.

This ruling only really sets a precedent in the Northern District of California.

Right. By "if it stands" I meant if it is upheld on appeal. I'm assuming this will go to the Supreme Court eventually.
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby Art Vandelay » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:34 am

kaveman wrote:Feel free to take apart and belittle the connection between marriage and procreation.

This wasn't directed toward me, but I have a moment so I'll respond anyway...the connection between marriage and procreation is correlative at best, not causative. Sure, many people don't have children until they are married--and there are numerous reasons for that--but marriage has absolutely nothing to do with the biological act of procreation. I'm not saying anything you don't know here, so I guess I'm just confused as to why you think marriage and having children have some kind of 1:1 link. Also, although gay couples can't "naturally" conceive a child together, gay people are just as capable of having children as straight people. It's not as if there is some kind of gay gene that disables to ability to procreate.
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby knapplc » Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:41 am

kaveman wrote:Feel free to take apart and belittle the connection between marriage and procreation.


You do know that marriage isn't simply a method to procreate, right? 'Cause if not I should tell you - and this might come as a shock, so sit down - people have babies without getting married. I've seen the science behind this and it's totally true.
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby Dan Lambskin » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:21 am

knapplc wrote:
kaveman wrote:Feel free to take apart and belittle the connection between marriage and procreation.


You do know that marriage isn't simply a method to procreate, right? 'Cause if not I should tell you - and this might come as a shock, so sit down - people have babies without getting married. I've seen the science behind this and it's totally true.


i've even heard of people getting married and NOT having babies
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby Madison » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:38 am

knapplc wrote:So what you're saying is that the only point of marriage is to make babies? :-b


Pretty sure the comment was made to show that life isn't fair.

The Artful Dodger wrote:Even then, a lot of people in this state don't have a clear-cut opinion of legalizing/banning gay marriage


Actually, most of what I read says the majority of the country supports legalizing "civil unions", it is the changing of the definition of "marriage" as to where the problem is.

Good luck having an adult conversation about the topic here though, didn't even take 2 pages for people to spin comments and make the thread pointless.
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby Neato Torpedo » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:01 am

Madison wrote:
knapplc wrote:So what you're saying is that the only point of marriage is to make babies? :-b


Pretty sure the comment was made to show that life isn't fair.

So why shouldn't we try to make it fair? Or in this case, why should we actively try to keep it unfair?
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby Neato Torpedo » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:11 am

Dan Lambskin wrote:
knapplc wrote:
kaveman wrote:Feel free to take apart and belittle the connection between marriage and procreation.


You do know that marriage isn't simply a method to procreate, right? 'Cause if not I should tell you - and this might come as a shock, so sit down - people have babies without getting married. I've seen the science behind this and it's totally true.


i've even heard of people getting married and NOT having babies

It's even theoretically possible for a marriage where one or both of them are unable to have children. I've also never received a satisfactory explanation why sterile people should be allowed to marry the opposite sex but gay people aren't.
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby knapplc » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:23 am

Madison wrote:
knapplc wrote:So what you're saying is that the only point of marriage is to make babies? :-b


Pretty sure the comment was made to show that life isn't fair.


Pretty sure it wasn't.
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby Madison » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:33 am

Neato Torpedo wrote:
Madison wrote:
knapplc wrote:So what you're saying is that the only point of marriage is to make babies? :-b


Pretty sure the comment was made to show that life isn't fair.

So why shouldn't we try to make it fair? Or in this case, why should we actively try to keep it unfair?


How is approving civil unions unfair and why must we change the definition of "marriage" in order to make it fair? Doesn't make any sense.

knapplc wrote:Pretty sure it wasn't.


Then go back and read it again. The word "marriage" wasn't even mentioned. Wait, here you go:

Yeah, and how come only straight couples can make babies? Nature's nothing but a bigoted homophobe.


How does anyone make the leap that the above reads anything close to "marriage is only for having babies"? :-t
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Re: Prop 8 Ruled Unconstitutional

Postby dAnzac » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:35 am

Madison wrote:Good luck having an adult conversation about the topic here though, didn't even take 2 pages for people to spin comments and make the thread pointless.


Were you looking for a "no spin zone" ;-7 :-b
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