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Postby jake_twothousandfive » Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:36 pm

Both hitting about 30 points below their career averages.

Pujols: .299 (.331 career AVG)
Hanley: .282 (.312 career AVG)

Yes, they're still two of the best fantasy players out there with these averages. But it's a little surprising to see considering what we're accustomed to getting from them. Is there anything apart from the obvious (BABIP) that might be causing this?

Hanley's BA looks like it runs in cycles.
2006: .292
2007: .332
2008: .301
2009: .342
2010: .282

Next year I guess he'll be back up to .330 again.
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby skjelstrom » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:54 pm

I have noticed the same thing with Ryan Braun.

Batting .279 but is a career hitter above .300....
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:20 pm

Well I wasn't trying to suggest this was a league wide thing. It's just strange to see it from these two. Pujols in particular.
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby John Bonzo » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:17 pm

Well, people are saying that this is the year of the pitcher, which would naturally mean that hitting stats as a whole would be down. Pujols is nursing a sore calf, but hasn't he been excelling through some sort of injury his entire career?
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby freeling_prideful » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:11 pm

jake_twothousandfive wrote:Both hitting about 30 points below their career averages.

Pujols: .299 (.331 career AVG)
Hanley: .282 (.312 career AVG)

Yes, they're still two of the best fantasy players out there with these averages. But it's a little surprising to see considering what we're accustomed to getting from them. Is there anything apart from the obvious (BABIP) that might be causing this?

Hanley's BA looks like it runs in cycles.
2006: .292
2007: .332
2008: .301
2009: .342
2010: .282

Next year I guess he'll be back up to .330 again.


I really hate the idea that players' BA can be cyclical from year to year (i.e. they have good odd years and bad even years). If he's up to .330 next season, it'll be because he fixes some problems in his swing that have caused him to hit the fewest line drives and the most grounders of his career (GB rate in 2010 is 10% higher than his career rate).
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby mkultra » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:23 pm

jake_twothousandfive wrote:Both hitting about 30 points below their career averages.

Pujols: .299 (.331 career AVG)
Hanley: .282 (.312 career AVG)

Yes, they're still two of the best fantasy players out there with these averages. But it's a little surprising to see considering what we're accustomed to getting from them. Is there anything apart from the obvious (BABIP) that might be causing this?

Hanley's BA looks like it runs in cycles.
2006: .292
2007: .332
2008: .301
2009: .342
2010: .282

Next year I guess he'll be back up to .330 again.


Hanley's line to-date:
Code: Select all
G   AB   R   H   HR   RBI   BB   KO   SB   BA
102   390   58   110   14   56   48   62   21   0.2821

Hardly anything close to "best fantasy player". Lot of guys out there (Crawford, Rios, CarGo, even Chris Young) putting up similar-or-better numbers.
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:35 pm

mkultra wrote:Hanley's line to-date:
Code: Select all
G   AB   R   H   HR   RBI   BB   KO   SB   BA
102   390   58   110   14   56   48   62   21   0.2821

Hardly anything close to "best fantasy player". Lot of guys out there (Crawford, Rios, CarGo, even Chris Young) putting up similar-or-better numbers.

What I meant was they're still very good fantasy players even without a high average. And Hanley doesn't play in the OF so it's tough to directly compare him to the players you mentioned. You have to give him credit for playing a scarce fantasy position. Unless you have a lot of shortstops ranked ahead of him, I think it's still safe to call him a very valuable player.

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Hopefully you didn't think I as actually being serious about Hanley's BA cycle. That was more of an interesting observation than anything.
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:30 pm

I hope everyone agrees that Pujols is still the #1 pick next year, barring injury.
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:35 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:I hope everyone agrees that Pujols is still the #1 pick next year, barring injury.

Yes.
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Re: Pujols and Hanley

Postby AquaMan2342 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:02 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:I hope everyone agrees that Pujols is still the #1 pick next year, barring injury.


Absolutely not....he's well below his averages.

Braun should be a third rounder next year too because he's hitting 20 points lower than his career average right now.
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