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Who will win?

Jon Lester
15
24%
David Price
9
15%
Cliff Lee
17
27%
Felix Hernandez
7
11%
Andy Pettitte
0
No votes
CC Sabathia
8
13%
Francisco Liriano
0
No votes
Carl Pavano
6
10%
 
Total votes : 62

Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby thedude » Sat Aug 21, 2010 7:33 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
thedude wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:He's 36th in WAR among pitchers and Liriano is 4th. :-S


Or he is 6th and Liriano is 8th. :-S :-S

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0


Depends on which formula you use....
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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby thedude » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:31 pm

thedude wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:
thedude wrote:
Or he is 6th and Liriano is 8th. :-S :-S

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 10&month=0


Depends on which formula you use....



OK I should I explain this a little. The WAR I used is Sean Smith's. It doesn't rely solely upon a FIP but instead also accounts for team defense based upon team defense stats. In other words it actually looks at defense unlike Fangraphs WAR.
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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby DaSh 1s » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:23 pm

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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:54 pm

thedude wrote:
thedude wrote:


Depends on which formula you use....



OK I should I explain this a little. The WAR I used is Sean Smith's. It doesn't rely solely upon a FIP but instead also accounts for team defense based upon team defense stats. In other words it actually looks at defense unlike Fangraphs WAR.

Why should it look at defense? The pitcher isn't responsible for his fielders' ability.
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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby thedude » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:53 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
thedude wrote:
thedude wrote:
Depends on which formula you use....



OK I should I explain this a little. The WAR I used is Sean Smith's. It doesn't rely solely upon a FIP but instead also accounts for team defense based upon team defense stats. In other words it actually looks at defense unlike Fangraphs WAR.

Why should it look at defense? The pitcher isn't responsible for his fielders' ability.



exactly. Smith's WAR normalizes for team defense.
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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby thatguy27 » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:47 pm

disgruntledjetsfan wrote:I think King Felix should win it, he's been dominant since his relatively inconsistent start. His record is complete BS, and he's completely shut down the yankees a few times now.


I completely agree. Came in here to post the exact same thing.
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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby lastingsgriller » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:45 pm

thatguy27 wrote:
disgruntledjetsfan wrote:I think Brandon Morrow should win it, he's been dominant since his relatively inconsistent start. His record is complete BS, and he's completely shut down the yankees a few times now.


I completely agree. Came in here to post the exact same thing.
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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby AquaMan2342 » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:22 pm

I almost want to say that Liriano should win it. It's still Lee though. Two bad starts does not cost one the Cy Young....especially when you consider the benefits he continually provides. While practically not pitching in April he's still going to easily eclipse 200 IP while shattering the K/BB ratio record. FIP of 2.55.....give it to him.
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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby Bloody Sox » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:32 pm

AquaMan2342 wrote:I almost want to say that Liriano should win it. It's still Lee though. Two bad starts does not cost one the Cy Young....especially when you consider the benefits he continually provides. While practically not pitching in April he's still going to easily eclipse 200 IP while shattering the K/BB ratio record. FIP of 2.55.....give it to him.

Well, Lee has a 5.80 ERA in August (4 of 5 sub par starts), immediately after I traded Strasburg for him on July 30. So no - I don't think he should win :-)

I actually think I'd lean towards voting for Jered Weaver on the basis of 189 Ks in 174 IP with excellent peripheral numbers... with Lee, Felix, and Liriano all very close.
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Re: Who will win the AL Cy Young

Postby SlightlyStoopid » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:31 pm

It's still Lee's race to loose. Felix certainly deserves some votes and could win it. Price and Buchholz could win based solely on wins and ERA. Someone who deserves some votes that hasn't been mentioned is Cahill. 13 wins and third in ERA (2.54) behind only Buchholz and Felix. He certainly won't win it though. His only other peripheral stat that shines is his H/9. That's not as sexy as K's
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