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Holliday for Carpenter + Gardner

Postby lookatme » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:16 pm

I get: Carpenter, Gardner, Velverde

I give: Holliday, Granderson

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C Suzuki
1B Berkman
2B Barmes
SS Jeter
3B McGehee
OF C. Gonzalez
OF Crawford
OF Holliday
Util Dunn (OF, 1B)
Util Quentin
Bench Granderson
Bench Bruce
DL Utley

SP Verlander
SP Strasburg
RP Franklin
RP Kuo
P Romero
P Garza
P Vazquez
P Floyd
Bench E. Santana
Bench Kennedy
Bench Morrow

I'm currently in 4th place in a 12 man league, 12 games out of first although only 3 games separate me and the second place team.

Should I try to hold out for Wainwright? I don't know if Wainwright can reasonably keep his stats as good as he has the first half in which case I might very well be better off with Carpenter. I have to think that Velverde isn't going to keep those ridiculously low ratios either but that doesn't necessarily mean he wont be a good pitcher for me here on out. Would I be better off asking for Marmol? And I'm starting to have some doubts about Gardner's playing time, as he hasn't had very many at bats in April or June (or was that just due to injury?).

Also Matt Holliday has historically been a 2nd half hitter and he's already the 36th ranked player in yahoo so far. But I really need the pitching as Strasburg isn't going to be around for the playoffs and I can't deal him for fair value because everyone knows this and I could really use some closers. It would make it a lot easier for em to deal Holliday if I knew Quentin was just having a nice stretch or if he's legit again.

Didn't mean to write an essay but I would appreciate if you guys could give me some opinions and insights to help me make my decision.
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Re: Holliday for Carpenter + Gardner

Postby Jenken » Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:21 pm

I would pass on this....Holliday alone should net you a big name starter. Selling low on Granderson really doesn't help you either, as he should turn it on at some point. Gardner, IMO, is due to slow down sometime.

Just on a side note, I dont really think its worth going after the big name closers as part of the core of deals. I mean, if you have one, that's great, but its not worth dealing for them since you can usually acquire plenty off the WW.

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Re: Holliday for Carpenter + Gardner

Postby baegames » Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:33 pm

If you didn't include Granderson, maybe, but I don't like the idea of you dropping down to start Gardner or Bruce.

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Re: Holliday for Carpenter + Gardner

Postby ecannon80 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:03 pm

Yeah, you should pass on this one. Holliday should get you much better value, just on name recognition alone. I'm a Holliday owner & the way he's heated up over the past few weeks, I wouldn't give him up for anything less than a top shelf pitcher. If it were Wainwright I might consider it, but the Gardner/Valverde combo would be a deal-breaker. Both of them will fall off 2nd half, IMO. Plus Valverde's an injury risk.

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Re: Holliday for Carpenter + Gardner

Postby KrazyA428 » Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:42 pm

Yup, I agree with everyone else. Holliday still has many good years in front of him, and Granderson is a much better hitter than he has shown so far. Stash him on your bench and hope for big things in the 2nd half.
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Re: Holliday for Carpenter + Gardner

Postby chowder » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:26 pm

I tried to get Holliday earlier in the year and got shot down...this isn't enough to get him now. He's putting up good numbers and always plays well in the 2nd half - you can get more if you want to move him.

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Re: Holliday for Carpenter + Gardner

Postby lookatme » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:09 pm

Well okay I won't be doing that deal. However I still really need another front line starter, and could use some more help in the steals and saves department. I don't like giving up Holliday but I feel like I'm going to have to give him up to get a frontline starter.

Any other ideas on who I could try to trade?
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Re: Holliday for Carpenter + Gardner

Postby NikeTxGuy » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:44 am

Thanks for your help on mine! :)

Analyzing this, due to the fact that you are getting an extra closer in Valverde, I'd have to do this deal... its just all up to you on how HIGH you are on Holliday?

GOOD LUCK.

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