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Postby DK » Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:45 pm

LBJackal wrote:Nowhere to go but down isn't neccesarily a bad thing. Gagne has nowhere to go but down, but I'd still love to have him on my team. You make it sound like a bad thing that he had a Cy Young calibre season. He learned 2 very effective pitches and was one of the best pitchers in baseball. To expect him to go back to his old stats is a stupid thing to do. A drop in stats, sure. It would be hard for anybody to repeat what he did last year. But to completely ignore everything he accomplished last year is stupid.


Agreed, especially about the Cy Young part. You switch Halladay's first month with his last and Loaiza's as well, and Loaiza cruises to the CY. I would have had no complaints had Loaiza won the award.
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Postby sportznow » Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:16 pm

the stats i said for this year were actually better than any years previous beside 2003. Also, theres nowhere to go but down for Gagne, thats true but it's unlikely he will drop off like Loaiza will this year. Playing in the AL Central helps Loaiza a ton also.
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Postby stevelabny » Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:29 am

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All of a sudden he almost doubles his career high in wins, at the age of 32.


Ok, but hes a pitcher. Batters "breakout" at 27 and start to decline at 30. MANY pitchers dont fully develop until 30. This was bizarre but not THAT unusual.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:28 pm

inkubus wrote:Tidbit: batters had a .192 average against Loaiza in 2003.


Where you getting your numbers? Loiaza was at .233.
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Re: Why the hate for Loaiza???

Postby HOOTIE » Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:31 pm

Ridgerunner wrote:I think he is being hated on because none of the so called fantasy experts saw his breakout coming. No one had him as a "sleeper" I think it's a jealousy thing myself. He made people feel dumb last year and some people take offense to that. I have not seen a single soul who thinks he will match last year, why?.....because people are pissed they missed him last year and they blame his game for it!!!!
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No one saw it coming, not even gms. No one can predict every breakout or bummer season. If you could, you would be the king of Vegas.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:33 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:I hate him. Hate him with the passion of a thousand white hot suns.


Is it white in Canada? :-D I always thought of it as orange.
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Postby KULCAT » Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:46 pm

Hey just for the fun of it, can you guys think of any other pitcher who followed a similar path?
For batter there´s no better example than Luis Gonzalez. The guy was your typical .275 15 hr 10 sb guy for like 8 years in the majors. And then out of nowhere he became one of the most feared bats in the majors.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:54 pm

MADISON is the president of Loiazas fan club. ;-)

I don't see him repeating with a sub 3 era, but i think a 3.50 is certaintly possible. Those k/9, hr/9, w/9, are hard to discount.

MAD a 15 game winner with a 4 era isn't bad. I think we had this discussion before, basically a $15 sp.
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