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Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby Neato Torpedo » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:57 pm

149 pitches. 79 strikes. 8 walks. HBP. Wild pitch. %-6

Crazy, crazy stuff...
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Re: Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby mweir145 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:03 pm

Very Burnett-like.
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Re: Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby Neato Torpedo » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:05 pm

mweir145 wrote:Very Burnett-like.

He didn't give up any home runs though
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Postby smoovethug » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:19 pm

Congrats to him but what an ugly line, all things considered.
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Re: Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby XFactah416 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:25 pm

Amazing how the Rays have been a victim of a Dallas Braden perfect game, and now an Edwin Jackson no-hitter.

Who's next to make history against the Rays?
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Re: Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby wrveres » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:56 am

if you own him, sell now!!!
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Re: Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby RedHopeful » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:08 am

Is this the worst no hitter in mlb history? I mean 8 walks, come on!
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Re: Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby jswede » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:47 am

RedHopeful wrote:Is this the worst no hitter in mlb history? I mean 8 walks, come on!


Burnett had 9.

Two things make this no-no really impressive to me:

1) Edwin Jackson is a fastball pitcher - around 70% fastballs on average. The fastball was not working last night - he could not locate, hence the walks - so he had to rely on his slider and curve to get guys out. Usually throws just over 20% slider/curve, but threw almost 40% last night.

2) I think the walk aspect is both overblown and misinterpreted. Walks have a stigma attached, but look at it this way: He still had to get 27 outs without giving up ONE hit. Walking guys just made it harder for him - he had to throw pitches with guys on base, and he had to throw a lot more pitches and therefore gave more opportunities for hits. The 149 pitch count makes it MORE impressive, to me - not less. That's 50% more opportunities given to the hitter than a 100 pitch no-no. That's a no-hitter and a half.
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Re: Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby HighHeater » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:01 pm

id rather have Jeff Niemann's line then his btw....
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Re: Edwin Jackson channels Doc Ellis; joins the no-no party

Postby XFactah416 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:30 pm

HighHeater wrote:id rather have Jeff Niemann's line then his btw....


And I'm sure the D'Backs and everyone else would rather take the win and the no-no.

Don't get me wrong, yes, Niemann pitched well.

I agree with jswede too.. for him to throw 149 pitches, walk 8 guys, and have the ability to still get a no-hitter is pretty impressive.
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