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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby knapplc » Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:20 pm

acsguitar wrote:I'm not sure the Gulf War Oil Spill should count.

Anyways this whole situation is a great reminder that Libertarian's are completely wrong about everything.

BP even with government regulation (although very little) still choose to not follow Voluntary safety procedures in order to save a minuscule amount of money.

This is a horrific disaster and really shows that both Dem's and Repubs are corporate whores ready and willing to do anything to make a buck.

IMO BP is only partially responsible for this. years of inrresponsible greed and lax regulation by the Government has caused this disaster.


I've been on about this for years. It's disheartening listening to all the sheeple mouthing Dem or Repub platitudes while being underrepresented. It's foolish to support a party that has no concern for your best interests, yet the vast majority of Americans still identify with one or the other political party.
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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Jun 29, 2010 2:31 pm

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There is something primordial about BP’s quest for oil in the Gulf of Mexico. It’s an Icarus-like story of super-ambition; of reaching too far, delving too deep.

blah blah blah

Some geologists say that BP’s arrogance has set off a series of events that may be irreversible. There are some that think that BP has drilled into an deep-core oil volcano that cannot be stopped, regardless of the horizontal drills the company claims will stop the oil plume in August.

blah blah blah

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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby Big Pimpin » Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:39 pm

acsguitar wrote:I'm not sure the Gulf War Oil Spill should count.

Anyways this whole situation is a great reminder that Libertarian's are completely wrong about everything.

BP even with government regulation (although very little) still choose to not follow Voluntary safety procedures in order to save a minuscule amount of money.

This is a horrific disaster and really shows that both Dem's and Repubs are corporate whores ready and willing to do anything to make a buck.

IMO BP is only partially responsible for this. years of inrresponsible greed and lax regulation by the Government has caused this disaster.


I'm still trying to figure out how you're equating any of this with Libertarianism at all. If you're blaming lax regulation, and therefore the idea of Libertarianism, you're barking up the wrong tree. Certainly there are problems that stem from a corrupt federal bureaucracy that is put in charge of enforcing safety regulations. But due to liability caps, BP knew full well that if there happened to be a disaster like this, they weren't on the hook for it. They have to pay a portion, covered by insurance, and the government picks up the check for the rest. The Libertarians sure as hell didn't push for something like that.
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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:30 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:
acsguitar wrote:I'm not sure the Gulf War Oil Spill should count.

Anyways this whole situation is a great reminder that Libertarian's are completely wrong about everything.

BP even with government regulation (although very little) still choose to not follow Voluntary safety procedures in order to save a minuscule amount of money.

This is a horrific disaster and really shows that both Dem's and Repubs are corporate whores ready and willing to do anything to make a buck.

IMO BP is only partially responsible for this. years of inrresponsible greed and lax regulation by the Government has caused this disaster.


I'm still trying to figure out how you're equating any of this with Libertarianism at all. If you're blaming lax regulation, and therefore the idea of Libertarianism, you're barking up the wrong tree. Certainly there are problems that stem from a corrupt federal bureaucracy that is put in charge of enforcing safety regulations. But due to liability caps, BP knew full well that if there happened to be a disaster like this, they weren't on the hook for it. They have to pay a portion, covered by insurance, and the government picks up the check for the rest. The Libertarians sure as hell didn't push for something like that.

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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby Neato Torpedo » Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:33 pm

The government definitely has a role in this. Too much involvement in helping BP get away with it and not enough involvement threatening them before the fact. Enact a $100,000 fine for every barrel spilled (minimum 100) retroactive to 1960 and apply it to everyone, and that'll go a long way to make oil companies behave. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. It's crazy that government is willing to fine me $300 for going 80 mph on an empty highway and at the same time is willing to shoulder some of the cost for BP's mess. Make them clean up the mess. Fine them infinity dollars. Destroy the company, I don't care. If you set the precedent that the government is willing to actually carry out a punishment to a large corporation for committing crimes, hopefully other companies will be scared straight if they even think about harming the environment or the people.
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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby StlSluggers » Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:28 pm

My favorite part of all this is that the federal cleanup fund was populated by money from taxes on gas... that we paid.

Gotta love politicians, man. They really know how to bend everyone over.
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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby StlSluggers » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:59 pm

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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby StlSluggers » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:08 pm

The well is currently capped and leaking 0 gallons.

'Bout time. :-)
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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby Neato Torpedo » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:38 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/2 ... 90635.html

Now for the 50-year cleanup effort...
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Re: THE Oil Spill

Postby RedHopeful » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:05 pm

StlSluggers wrote:The well is currently capped and leaking 0 gallons.

'Bout time. :-)

Let's just hope it doesn't spring a leak elsewhere... :-o
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