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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby Neato Torpedo » Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:04 pm

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Ursa wrote:How about taking a knee with two minutes left in football?

Or fouling the center/PF incessantly in the last 30 seconds when you're down by three?


That's not the same because the C/PF is still given the opportunity to close out the game. It's the C/PF's fault for being so terrible at shooting free throws. If they could shoot free throws, fouling isn't really that great of a strategy. With the intentional walk, there's nothing the player can do.

But on the other hand, it's the fault of the guy after the player being intentionally walked by being a bad enough hitter to warrant a free base for the player ahead of him. :-b
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby kaiser » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:51 am

Maris09 wrote:Not sure if these have been mentioned, but here are the things I hate:

1. Fans who boo on throws over to 1B.

2. Fans who yell balk....ever.


Yes. Agree 100%.
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby Matthias » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:43 am

kaiser wrote:
Maris09 wrote:Not sure if these have been mentioned, but here are the things I hate:

1. Fans who boo on throws over to 1B.

2. Fans who yell balk....ever.


Yes. Agree 100%.

Funny story. And I think you'll afterwards agree only 99.9%.

A couple of summers ago, some buddies and I went to a Brooklyn Cyclones (Mets Single A affiliate) playoff game. They play a short season so it was early September, probably. The game was scheduled to start at 7, I think. Either 6 or 7. But it was delayed for about an hour and a half because of a downpour. The rain finally lets up, they start playing, and in the 5th inning it starts raining again. This time the game is delayed for about 45 minutes. Rain clears again and the teams go back onto the field. By this time, most of the crowd is gone and with the Cyclones you can always find a seat anywhere anyway, so we're sitting about 4 or 5 rows from the field, about 6' to the right of home plate. In the 6th inning it's a tie game but a runner gets on. And this runner is someone known to be fast. So the pitcher is throwing over to first. And again. And again. Pitches one to the batter. Back to first. Back to first. Back to first. At this point, it's about 11:30pm and this kid, who was probably about 7 and sitting 2 rows ahead of us, screams as loud as he could at the pitcher, "Hurry up!!! It's a school night!!!!!!"

My buddies and I cracked up the rest of the game.
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby kaiser » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:00 pm

Yes, I agree that it can get excessive.
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby Dan Lambskin » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:02 pm

shmolex wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:
Ursa wrote:How about taking a knee with two minutes left in football?

Or fouling the center/PF incessantly in the last 30 seconds when you're down by three?


That's not the same because the C/PF is still given the opportunity to close out the game. It's the C/PF's fault for being so terrible at shooting free throws. If they could shoot free throws, fouling isn't really that great of a strategy. With the intentional walk, there's nothing the player can do.


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kaiser wrote:
Maris09 wrote:Not sure if these have been mentioned, but here are the things I hate:

1. Fans who boo on throws over to 1B.

2. Fans who yell balk....ever.


Yes. Agree 100%.

Funny story. And I think you'll afterwards agree only 99.9%.

A couple of summers ago, some buddies and I went to a Brooklyn Cyclones (Mets Single A affiliate) playoff game. They play a short season so it was early September, probably. The game was scheduled to start at 7, I think. Either 6 or 7. But it was delayed for about an hour and a half because of a downpour. The rain finally lets up, they start playing, and in the 5th inning it starts raining again. This time the game is delayed for about 45 minutes. Rain clears again and the teams go back onto the field. By this time, most of the crowd is gone and with the Cyclones you can always find a seat anywhere anyway, so we're sitting about 4 or 5 rows from the field, about 6' to the right of home plate. In the 6th inning it's a tie game but a runner gets on. And this runner is someone known to be fast. So the pitcher is throwing over to first. And again. And again. Pitches one to the batter. Back to first. Back to first. Back to first. At this point, it's about 11:30pm and this kid, who was probably about 7 and sitting 2 rows ahead of us, screams as loud as he could at the pitcher, "Hurry up!!! It's a school night!!!!!!"

My buddies and I cracked up the rest of the game.


Clemens did this to the Tigers once when he was with the Astros...must have been 10 times in a row...just lazy soft tosses just because he could...i thought it was pretty funny
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:11 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:
shmolex wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:Or fouling the center/PF incessantly in the last 30 seconds when you're down by three?


That's not the same because the C/PF is still given the opportunity to close out the game. It's the C/PF's fault for being so terrible at shooting free throws. If they could shoot free throws, fouling isn't really that great of a strategy. With the intentional walk, there's nothing the player can do.

But on the other hand, it's the fault of the guy after the player being intentionally walked by being a bad enough hitter to warrant a free base for the player ahead of him. :-b


I was going to say something along these lines. I like the idea that you can intentionally walk someone, because its part of what makes baseball the ultimate team sport. In baseball, more than any other sport, does the entire team need to be good. Even if you have the best player in the league, you can't by like the Cavs are in basketball where you are good purely because of one guy. I like that it takes a full team to be a good team.
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby Captain Furtah » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:18 pm

You do know the Cavs have Mo Williams right, so its not a 1 man show... ;-7
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby drunkmonkey » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:33 pm

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Neato Torpedo wrote:
shmolex wrote:
That's not the same because the C/PF is still given the opportunity to close out the game. It's the C/PF's fault for being so terrible at shooting free throws. If they could shoot free throws, fouling isn't really that great of a strategy. With the intentional walk, there's nothing the player can do.

But on the other hand, it's the fault of the guy after the player being intentionally walked by being a bad enough hitter to warrant a free base for the player ahead of him. :-b


I was going to say something along these lines. I like the idea that you can intentionally walk someone, because its part of what makes baseball the ultimate team sport. In baseball, more than any other sport, does the entire team need to be good. Even if you have the best player in the league, you can't by like the Cavs are in basketball where you are good purely because of one guy. I like that it takes a full team to be a good team.


Yes, but in baseball, unlike any other sport, your star player already only gets a chance 1 every 9 times. It's impossible to rely on one player anyway. I hate that when that turn comes up, the pitcher can say, "You're better than me, so I'm going to skip you." Now, if he wants to throw outside pitches, that's one thing; but having the catcher stand a few yards away and play catch for 4 pitches is just a ridiculous spectacle. Yes, I realize Cabrera got a hit once this way, but it was only due to the complete ineptitude of the pitcher.
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:37 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:
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Neato Torpedo wrote:But on the other hand, it's the fault of the guy after the player being intentionally walked by being a bad enough hitter to warrant a free base for the player ahead of him. :-b


I was going to say something along these lines. I like the idea that you can intentionally walk someone, because its part of what makes baseball the ultimate team sport. In baseball, more than any other sport, does the entire team need to be good. Even if you have the best player in the league, you can't by like the Cavs are in basketball where you are good purely because of one guy. I like that it takes a full team to be a good team.


Yes, but in baseball, unlike any other sport, your star player already only gets a chance 1 every 9 times. It's impossible to rely on one player anyway. I hate that when that turn comes up, the pitcher can say, "You're better than me, so I'm going to skip you." Now, if he wants to throw outside pitches, that's one thing; but having the catcher stand a few yards away and play catch for 4 pitches is just a ridiculous spectacle. Yes, I realize Cabrera got a hit once this way, but it was only due to the complete ineptitude of the pitcher.


Gotta love when an anomaly happens due to complete ineptitude of a pitcher and it's by a pitcher on your favorite team... !+)

That said, what's the difference if a pitcher just pitches way outside or if they do an intentional walk? It still has the same effect. Either way, it's strategy IMO, and that player still is helping his team by being intentionally walked. By being that good, he is forcing the other team to give him a base for free. It's not like they are skipping him with no consequences whatsoever.
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Re: I love Baseball, but here are things I hate about baseball

Postby Matthias » Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:39 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:Yes, but in baseball, unlike any other sport, your star player already only gets a chance 1 every 9 times.

I think this is one of the things that drives down the winning percentages of the top teams, especially when you compare it to a game like the NBA where if you have a phenomenal player they actively and significantly contribute to offense and defense.

drunkmonkey wrote:It's impossible to rely on one player anyway. I hate that when that turn comes up, the pitcher can say, "You're better than me, so I'm going to skip you." Now, if he wants to throw outside pitches, that's one thing; but having the catcher stand a few yards away and play catch for 4 pitches is just a ridiculous spectacle. Yes, I realize Cabrera got a hit once this way, but it was only due to the complete ineptitude of the pitcher.

You're acting like a walk is a loss and in most cases significantly different from a hit.
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