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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:51 pm

thedude wrote:
jake_twothousandfive wrote:How is WAR estimated for historical players? UZR data doesn't go back nearly that far.


Big Pimpin wrote:TotalZone, as described here. It's the defensive metric used in Chone's historical WAR database.

Wagner's WAR on this site and Fangraphs are quite different.
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby m16a » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:43 pm

Cal Ripken Jr (+20)

Ozzie Smith (+15)

Barry Larkin (+10)

Omar Vizquel (+6)
Derek Jeter (+6)
Nomar Garciaparra (+6)

Alex Rodriguez (+5)

Elvis Andrus (+4)
Jose Reyes (+4)
Troy Tulowitzki (+4)
Robin Yount (+4)

Jimmy Rollins (+3)

Alan Trammell (+2)
Honus Wagner (+2)
David Eckstein (+2)
Ernie Banks (+2)
Rey Ordonez (+2)
Rafael Furcal (+2)

Hanley Ramirez (+1)
Zoilo Versalles (+1)
Bud Harrelson +1
Pee Wee Reese +1
Lou Boudreau (+1)
Maury Wills (+1)
Mike Bordick (+1)
Jose Uribe (+1)
Jay Bell (+1)
Orlando Cabrera (+1)[/quote]
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby bigh0rt » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:19 am

Cal Ripken Jr (+20)

Ozzie Smith (+16)

Barry Larkin (+10)

Omar Vizquel (+6)
Derek Jeter (+6)
Nomar Garciaparra (+6)

Jose Reyes (+5)
Alex Rodriguez (+5)

Elvis Andrus (+4)
Troy Tulowitzki (+4)
Robin Yount (+4)

Rey Ordonez (+3)
Jimmy Rollins (+3)

Alan Trammell (+2)
Honus Wagner (+2)
David Eckstein (+2)
Ernie Banks (+2)
Rafael Furcal (+2)

Hanley Ramirez (+1)
Zoilo Versalles (+1)
Bud Harrelson +1
Pee Wee Reese +1
Lou Boudreau (+1)
Maury Wills (+1)
Mike Bordick (+1)
Jose Uribe (+1)
Jay Bell (+1)
Orlando Cabrera (+1)
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby gnarboots11 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:34 am

Cal Ripken Jr (+20)

Ozzie Smith (+16)

Barry Larkin (+10)

Omar Vizquel (+6)
Derek Jeter (+6)
Nomar Garciaparra (+6)

Jose Reyes (+5)
Alex Rodriguez (+5)

Elvis Andrus (+4)
Troy Tulowitzki (+4)
Robin Yount (+4)

Rey Ordonez (+3)
Jimmy Rollins (+3)

Alan Trammell (+2)
Honus Wagner (+2)
David Eckstein (+2)
Ernie Banks (+2)
Rafael Furcal (+2)

Hanley Ramirez (+1)
Zoilo Versalles (+1)
Bud Harrelson +1
Pee Wee Reese +1
Lou Boudreau (+1)
Maury Wills (+1)
Mike Bordick (+1)
Jose Uribe (+1)
Jay Bell (+1)
Orlando Cabrera (+1)
Gary DiSarcina (+1)
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:08 am

Ugh I knew Ripken would win this one.
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby j24jags » Sun Jun 20, 2010 3:26 pm

AquaMan2342 wrote:Ugh I knew Ripken would win this one.

What's your problem with Cal? Better Cal than Jeter/Arod and many others IMO.
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby AquaMan2342 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:34 pm

j24jags wrote:
AquaMan2342 wrote:Ugh I knew Ripken would win this one.

What's your problem with Cal? Better Cal than Jeter/Arod and many others IMO.


I was definitely pulling for Ozzie or Larkin
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby dmattingly23 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:48 pm

Andrus 4 Hanley 1 is surprising.
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby DaSh 1s » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:03 pm

j24jags wrote:
AquaMan2342 wrote:Ugh I knew Ripken would win this one.

What's your problem with Cal? Better Cal than Jeter/Arod and many others IMO.


Wait a second....You really think Cal was a better SS than Jeter or A-Rod (the best offensive SS in baseball history)? wow...

Better than Jeter? How can you possibly hate on Jeter? I really don't understand? Is it simply because he plays in the Yankees organization? Does that allow you discredit his hall of fame career and his absolute professionalism? Just, wow...
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Re: Personal Favorite SS: Builder

Postby jake_twothousandfive » Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:26 pm

DaSh 1s wrote:
j24jags wrote:
AquaMan2342 wrote:Ugh I knew Ripken would win this one.

What's your problem with Cal? Better Cal than Jeter/Arod and many others IMO.


Wait a second....You really think Cal was a better SS than Jeter or A-Rod (the best offensive SS in baseball history)? wow...

Calm down.

He didn't say Cal was the better shortstop production wise but that he was a better choice for this particular poll. And I agree.
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