lastingsgriller wrote: thedude wrote:
jake_twothousandfive wrote:He should win either SS or 3B. If you consider what he has done at each position separately in terms of production he's probably the best SS ever and in the top 5 at 3B. Pretty ridiculous.
Nah Honus Wagner was better. Ole Honus was without a doubt better with the glove, better on the bases, and an arguement can be made Honus was A-rod's equal with the bat (he won 8 batting titles in his career).
how on earth could you possibly know that Honus Wagner was better than Alex Rodriguez with the glove or better on the bases? did you see him play? do you know someone that has seen him play? are you speculating this because you like honus Wagner?
First, contemporary accounts of Wagner report that he was the best shortstop of that era. No one would argue that Rodriguez is the best defensive shortstop of this era. Additionally, the contemporary accounts note that Wagner was a terror on the base paths.
Second, and more importantly, the numbers show that Wagner was a superior player. Wagner has a career high of 20.0 fielding runs above replacement. A-Rod’s career high was 16.00. Wagner had 5 years of 10+ plus Fielding Runs above Replacement. A-Rod had 3.
Wagner had 722 career stolen bases. A-Rod has 299.
Also Wagner’s career high in batting runs above replacement was 73.1. A-Rod’s (at short) was 64.8.
Wagner won 8 batting titles.
Wagner’s career high in WAR was 12.9. A-Rod’s is 9.8.
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