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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:12 pm

MTUCache wrote:
Matthias wrote:But in leagues that only use 1 catcher, the difference between #12 and #1 is going to be pretty thin.

More importantly, the difference between #12 and #4 is going to be almost non-existent.

Isn't that the case every year? :-?
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:24 pm

Catcher isn't going to be a legitimately deep position until you can draft them alongside other players that will put up similar numbers. If a catcher is projected to put up .280/80/25/90, he goes in the 4th-5th. If it's a 1B or OF, he goes in the 10th-12th.
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Havok1517 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:25 pm

There is also a lot of great catching depth in the minors to go along with the promotions of Santana and Posey.
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Matthias » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:28 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:Catcher isn't going to be a legitimately deep position until you can draft them alongside other players that will put up similar numbers. If a catcher is projected to put up .280/80/25/90, he goes in the 4th-5th. If it's a 1B or OF, he goes in the 10th-12th.

This isn't necessarily the case. People talk all the time about different positions being "shallow" or "deep" understanding that different positions have different standards. Otherwise, the only position that would ever would be deep would be 1B and maybe 3B.

The only real question is how many players are expected, in any given year, to hit what is considered at or above a good year of production for that position.
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Neato Torpedo » Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:31 pm

Matthias wrote:
Neato Torpedo wrote:Catcher isn't going to be a legitimately deep position until you can draft them alongside other players that will put up similar numbers. If a catcher is projected to put up .280/80/25/90, he goes in the 4th-5th. If it's a 1B or OF, he goes in the 10th-12th.

This isn't necessarily the case. People talk all the time about different positions being "shallow" or "deep" understanding that different positions have different standards. Otherwise, the only position that would ever would be deep would be 1B and maybe 3B.

The only real question is how many players are expected, in any given year, to hit what is considered at or above a good year of production for that position.

1B and OF are the only deep positions. 3B is somewhat deep, 2B and SS are somewhat shallow, and C is shallow. It seems like the OP is looking to see whether we can reclassify C, and no, we can't. Yeah, catcher is going to be deeper than usual the next few years.

Eh, it seems like it's just a wording issue and sometimes I get a little nuts about the clarity of people's phrasing. :-/ :-b
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Matthias » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:01 pm

Neato Torpedo wrote:1B and OF are the only deep positions. 3B is somewhat deep, 2B and SS are somewhat shallow, and C is shallow. It seems like the OP is looking to see whether we can reclassify C, and no, we can't. Yeah, catcher is going to be deeper than usual the next few years.

Eh, it seems like it's just a wording issue and sometimes I get a little nuts about the clarity of people's phrasing. :-/ :-b

I think you just say this to rationalize Dexter Fowler being in the minors. ;-)
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Ursa » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:57 pm

I think there's enough talent at catcher this year to cover a 16 team league. That certainly seems the case in mine where Barajas is on the wire (dropped him when Montero returned) and one owner couldn't get any real interest in McCann earlier this year.

Completely agree with the people who say the position is deep this year. All positions have to be seen in isolation when discussing depth, IMO.
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:50 pm

So the depth is good but the standard is still low. Makes sense, actually....
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Rollotommasi » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:02 am

Matthias wrote:So I've been doing fantasy baseball for about 5 years now and this is the first point that I can remember that in 1 catcher leagues, you can have legitimate studs like Mauer or McCann and, even if you believe that they'll fill their projections, don't justify themselves as a high pick because there's such depth at the position. Let's think a second about the catchers in next year's draft.

Mauer
McCann
Victor Martinez
Wieters
M. Montero
Napoli
Posada
Soto
Martin
Santana
Posey
Jaso?
J. Montero?

In 2 catcher leagues, I think the position will look like 3B this year with a decent list of quality options and then the bottom drops out.

Thoughts?



Soto n.8 ?? LOL


and where's Doumit ??
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Re: Is Catcher now a deep position?

Postby Matthias » Tue Jun 15, 2010 7:38 am

Rollotommasi wrote:Soto n.8 ?? LOL

and where's Doumit ??

This isn't a ranking. This is just a list off of the top of my head of catchers next year who should perform at what is traditionally thought of as a "good" level for the position.
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