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Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby StlSluggers » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:00 am

This is quickly turning into a story that I'm sure will be my favorite story at the end of the year. Philosophical and party affiliations aside, I am giddy that this a) is baffling everyone in the established political circle, and b) is shining a big, bright light on how and why people "vote" when they have no idea about a candidate.

Newsweek wrote:Alvin Greene's implausible S.C. victory: 6 theories
An unemployed 32-year-old Army veteran has won the Democrat primary for South Carolina's senate seat. How on earth did he do it?
posted on June 10, 2010, at 12:21 PM

Alvin Greene's shock victory in the Democrat primary for South Carolina's senate seat has left both the state's political establishment and pundits at a loss. The 32-year-old "mystery man" who'll face Republican senator Jim DeMint in November is an unemployed Army veteran who attended no campaign events, bought no advertising and — unthinkable in 2010 — did not even have a campaign website. What's more, it's emerged that Greene is facing felony charges for allegedly showing lewd photos to a University of South Carolina student. How did this happen? (Watch Alvin Greene say he has a shot to win)

1. "Hard work"
Greene told Suzy Khimm at Mother Jones that his victory was the result of "hard work, and just getting my message to supporters." Yet in a "rambling" three-hour interview with Manuel Roig-Franzia at The Washington Post, the candidate reportedly "could not name a single specific thing he'd done to campaign for lofty political office." Greene maintains that details of how he won are not relevant. "I'm not concentrating on how I was elected — it's history," he told Khimm. "We need to get talking about America."

2. An alphabetical fluke
State Democratic Party chair Carol Fowler has offered the "uber-scientific" suggestion, says Haley Cohen at Vanity Fair, that Greene won because his name appeared first on the ballot paper, ahead of rival Vic Rawl, a four-term state lawmaker. "This theory may also account for how Bush won twice," quips Cohen.

3. He's a GOP plant
Some suspect Greene's "curious candidacy" may not be all that it seems, says Corey Hutchins at the Columbia Free Times. "Republican place markers" — that is, deliberately weak candidates funded by the GOP — are "campaign legend" in South Carolina. In the early 90s, an unemployed black fisherman was "coaxed" into running in a primary race to increase white turnout in the polls. But Greene says "he's never heard of such a thing."

4. He's a political mastermind
One "intriguing" possibility is that Greene is "some kind of political genius," says Terence Samuel at The Root. Could he be a "stealth savant" so accomplished in the "art of grassroots campaigning" that he could attract 59 percent of the vote "while escaping the notice of his opponent, his party and the media"?

5. South Carolina just doesn't like Vic Rawl
Rawl, the Democrat "judge and former state legislator" who lost to Greene, is far from popular among South Carolina Democrats, notes Ryan Tracy at Newsweek. A survey conducted in May found that only 4 percent had a favorable opinion of him. But, "that's a strong indication that many S.C. Democrats simply didn't know who Rawl was either."

6. He's black
Race can sometimes "tip the balance" in elections where both candidates are virtually unknown, says Alan Abramowitz, a political science academic quoted in Newsweek. But even though "there are many African-American voters among South Carolina Democrats," Greene's photo was not on the ballot paper and — given his spectacularly low-key campaign approach — it's unlikely any would have known who he is.

I'm betting on #5, but #2 would just be the tits to me. :-D

Here's Greene's uncomfortable interview with Olbermann.
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Re: Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:31 am

Awesome! In my state, a two-term incumbent won* by only 127 votes (out of more than 700,000 cast) over a relatively unknown challenger who waited until the last day to file for the race and did almost zero campaigning. This was just for superintendent of public instruction, not US Senate, but still interesting.

*pending a recount, I'm sure.
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Re: Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby StlSluggers » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:37 am

The anti-incumbent fervor is amazing right now, isn't it?

People are literally voting for anyone who's not from the establishment.
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Re: Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby acsguitar » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:38 am

StlSluggers wrote:The anti-incumbent fervor is amazing right now, isn't it?

People are literally voting for anyone who's not from the establishment.


Didn't this dude just get arrested for sending pervert pictures to college students. I think he's gonna drop out. Also south carolina is bass ackwards
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Re: Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:47 am

I think that sentiment is more prevalent than in most previous years, but still, on Super Tuesday, incumbents won something like 82 or 84 races with one race going to a run-off, so it's not as if everyone is being thrown out of office.
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Re: Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby StlSluggers » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:48 am

acsguitar wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:The anti-incumbent fervor is amazing right now, isn't it?

People are literally voting for anyone who's not from the establishment.


Didn't this dude just get arrested for sending pervert pictures to college students. I think he's gonna drop out. Also south carolina is bass ackwards

Apparently, he hasn't been indicted yet, but when he was told that, he asked what indicted meant.

*scout's honor*
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Re: Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby acsguitar » Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:21 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
acsguitar wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:The anti-incumbent fervor is amazing right now, isn't it?

People are literally voting for anyone who's not from the establishment.


Didn't this dude just get arrested for sending pervert pictures to college students. I think he's gonna drop out. Also south carolina is bass ackwards

Apparently, he hasn't been indicted yet, but when he was told that, he asked what indicted meant.

*scout's honor*


Thats pretty awesome. SC might be the dumbest state ever. I'm thinking of moving back there one day which makes me question my sanity
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Re: Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby Tavish » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:46 pm

StlSluggers wrote:The anti-incumbent fervor is amazing right now, isn't it?

People are literally voting for anyone who's not from the establishment.

How many incumbents lost?
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Re: Alvin Greene, S.C. Senatorial Democratic Primary Winner

Postby Neato Torpedo » Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:56 pm

He supports a united Korea under a democratic system of government.


lol

When asked about free trade, Greene has stated that he has to look into the issue further before taking a position.


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