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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby rich101682 » Sun May 16, 2010 1:35 pm

HighHeater wrote:can people relax on Justin Upton... it gets annoying seeing threads the past few years thinking he's magically going to be a HoF right out of the minor's. He put up a crazy stat line at the tender age of 22 in the bigs people. 22.... it's not like in his struggles thus far he hasn't produced the kid's hitting for power and stealing bases at a .250 clip. it's not even 1/4th the season done yet...

there's not one OF i'd rather own then JUp is any dynasty/keeper format. trade him if you want but you will regret it.


Just for argument's sake, you wouldn't trade him for Braun, Heyward or Kemp in a keeper league?
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby HighHeater » Sun May 16, 2010 4:23 pm

rich101682 wrote:
HighHeater wrote:can people relax on Justin Upton... it gets annoying seeing threads the past few years thinking he's magically going to be a HoF right out of the minor's. He put up a crazy stat line at the tender age of 22 in the bigs people. 22.... it's not like in his struggles thus far he hasn't produced the kid's hitting for power and stealing bases at a .250 clip. it's not even 1/4th the season done yet...

there's not one OF i'd rather own then JUp is any dynasty/keeper format. trade him if you want but you will regret it.


Just for argument's sake, you wouldn't trade him for Braun, Heyward or Kemp in a keeper league?


Nope
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby rich101682 » Sun May 16, 2010 4:30 pm

HighHeater wrote:
rich101682 wrote:
HighHeater wrote:can people relax on Justin Upton... it gets annoying seeing threads the past few years thinking he's magically going to be a HoF right out of the minor's. He put up a crazy stat line at the tender age of 22 in the bigs people. 22.... it's not like in his struggles thus far he hasn't produced the kid's hitting for power and stealing bases at a .250 clip. it's not even 1/4th the season done yet...

there's not one OF i'd rather own then JUp is any dynasty/keeper format. trade him if you want but you will regret it.


Just for argument's sake, you wouldn't trade him for Braun, Heyward or Kemp in a keeper league?


Nope


I have Upton in a 20 team keeper league, and I'd have to think long and hard if someone offered me Braun straight up for him.
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby thatguy27 » Sun May 16, 2010 4:30 pm

HighHeater wrote:
rich101682 wrote:
HighHeater wrote:can people relax on Justin Upton... it gets annoying seeing threads the past few years thinking he's magically going to be a HoF right out of the minor's. He put up a crazy stat line at the tender age of 22 in the bigs people. 22.... it's not like in his struggles thus far he hasn't produced the kid's hitting for power and stealing bases at a .250 clip. it's not even 1/4th the season done yet...

there's not one OF i'd rather own then JUp is any dynasty/keeper format. trade him if you want but you will regret it.


Just for argument's sake, you wouldn't trade him for Braun, Heyward or Kemp in a keeper league?


Nope


What if the format allowed you to keep a player for just two years? Would you prefer Braun/Kemp in that format?
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby rich101682 » Sun May 16, 2010 4:39 pm

thatguy27 wrote:
HighHeater wrote:
rich101682 wrote:
Just for argument's sake, you wouldn't trade him for Braun, Heyward or Kemp in a keeper league?


Nope


What if the format allowed you to keep a player for just two years? Would you prefer Braun/Kemp in that format?


Braun for sure. Probably not Kemp. He just doesn't seem to be playing like he's interested right now. Over the next 2 years, I'd rank them:

Braun
Upton
Kemp
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby HighHeater » Sun May 16, 2010 4:40 pm

thatguy27 wrote:
HighHeater wrote:
rich101682 wrote:
Just for argument's sake, you wouldn't trade him for Braun, Heyward or Kemp in a keeper league?


Nope


What if the format allowed you to keep a player for just two years? Would you prefer Braun/Kemp in that format?


in a 2yr window? I might go for Braun there but i would have to put a lot of thought into it and as to why and how i project the two for the next two years.
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby thatguy27 » Sun May 16, 2010 4:50 pm

HighHeater wrote:
thatguy27 wrote:
HighHeater wrote:
Nope


What if the format allowed you to keep a player for just two years? Would you prefer Braun/Kemp in that format?


in a 2yr window? I might go for Braun there but i would have to put a lot of thought into it and as to why and how i project the two for the next two years.


Word. Long term, what do you see as Justin's upside?

.300+ 120-40-30-130? something like that for a typical season in his prime? Does he have 40+ HR power?

(those numbers are actually insane, maybe he hits them in his best years is a more realistic expectation)
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby rich101682 » Sun May 16, 2010 5:00 pm

thatguy27 wrote:
HighHeater wrote:
thatguy27 wrote:
What if the format allowed you to keep a player for just two years? Would you prefer Braun/Kemp in that format?


in a 2yr window? I might go for Braun there but i would have to put a lot of thought into it and as to why and how i project the two for the next two years.


Word. Long term, what do you see as Justin's upside?

.300+ 120-40-30-130? something like that for a typical season in his prime? Does he have 40+ HR power?

(those numbers are actually insane, maybe he hits them in his best years is a more realistic expectation)


Yeah, he's got 40 HR power easy. If he realizes his potential, I could see him putting up seasons of .280, 100-40-130-25 on a regular basis with maybe a few 40/30 or 45/30 MVP-type seasons in there.
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby HighHeater » Sun May 16, 2010 5:17 pm

im fairly comfortable in saying he has more power then Braun and Kemp right now. it hasn't translated statistically yet for him but his power is absolutely insane. He has natural loft in his swing and he can drive the ball out with ease. He's hit titanic home runs that kinda make you sit in awe, and all this in his early 20's. I can see him being a 40+ guy and losing his speed in his prime. His speed is something i don't think will stay but his power outlet will increase. He's virtually different player then his brother imo.
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Re: Justin Upton, coming around or overrated?

Postby DaSh 1s » Sun May 16, 2010 7:24 pm

HighHeater wrote:can people relax on Justin Upton... it


Why should people relax? He has been a bust in terms of a early teens pick.
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