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Postby bobellis75 » Tue May 11, 2010 10:47 am

I'm thinking you don't trade Albert...but....here is the offer, so other opinions would be fantastic.

I give up: Pujols, McCutchen, Brett Anderson

I receive: Votto, Carl Crawford, Ethier

My pitching is still stocked with Greinke, Felix, etc....

I'd have Votto/Butler at 1B (and we have an infield slot as well as a utility slot where I can plug one of them in). My OF would become Crawford, Ethier, Heyward...with Rasmus, Lind as a Utility option.

Does this make my team better or worse?

I'd certainly have a killer OF.....and still have two great players at 1B (who are both young as well).

Thanks in advance for any advice!
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby Kimbos Beard » Tue May 11, 2010 10:52 am

Is this a keeper?

It's a close call, and I don't see you winning big if at all.

Pujols clearly more valuable than Votto
Crawford slightly more valuable than McCutch, but if this is a keeper I think its almost even.
Obvioiusly Either well over Anderson at this point.

So I think you are losing at 1B breaking even with Crawford and winning on the Either edge.

I think I may just stay put or keep searching.

Mine: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=411397
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby bobellis75 » Tue May 11, 2010 10:59 am

Yes it's a keeper...28 man rosters. We cut to 25 every spring and have a three round draft for rookies or breakout players, etc....

I wasn't seeking out an offer...just checked my email and someone sent this deal my way and there was enough value coming my way I thought I'd at least consider it and seek out some opinions.

My OF right now is Heyward, McCutchen, Lind, Rasmus and a couple of other veteran guys.

My team is pretty loaded...starting lineup would be

C - Weiters
1B - Pujols
2B - Phillips
3B - Wright
SS - Drew/Aybar (play whoever is hot)
OF - see above

Then also have guys like Billy Butler, Callaspo, Kubel, Beltre, etc. to plug into my Utility and Infield slots....

Pitching is pretty solid with Greinke, Felix, Anderson, Billingsley, Soria, Mariano Rivera, and so on....team just keeps struggling for one reason or another....

Can't win with Albert - so thought maybe I should listen to offers.....thanks!
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby harold_bush » Tue May 11, 2010 11:05 am

I too am Pujols owner, and while for ht emost part he in not tradeable, this one makes me think. After a great first week Pujols has been a little pedestrian by his standards, which is why someone is probably trying to "buy low" on him. Ethier is actually the one playing like Pujols, and while his numbers are inflated right now, he is the real deal. I'd rather have Crawford then McCuthen......slightly...but those are pretty even. I probably don't get Brett Anderson as much credit as I should, but I don't think he is a differnce maker, leaving Votto/Ethier for Pujols. I hate to say it, but I'm leanign with doing it if I were you.

If you have a second, I'd like your thoughts on mine...thanks.
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C- Montero/Napoli
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SS-Jeter
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby bobellis75 » Tue May 11, 2010 11:05 am

Here is my entire roster as currently stands (if this helps in any decision making)

POSITION PLAYERS
Mike Napoli LAA C, DH
Matt Wieters Bal C, DH

Albert Pujols StL 1B
Billy Butler KC 1B, DH

Brandon Phillips Cin 2B
Alberto Callaspo KC 2B, 3B

David Wright NYM 3B
Adrian Beltre Sea 3B

Stephen Drew Ari SS
Erick Aybar LAA SS

Adam Lind Tor OF, DH
Jason Kubel Min OF, DH
Andrew McCutchen Pit OF
Colby Rasmus StL OF
Josh Willingham Was OF
Jason Heyward Atl OF
Fernando Martinez NYM OF (PROSPECT)

PITCHERS
Zack Greinke KC SP
Brandon Webb Ari SP - DL
Felix Hernandez Sea SP
Chad Billingsley LAD SP
Brett Anderson Oak SP - DL
Scott Baker Min SP
Ted Lilly Cubs SP
Aaron Harang Cin SP
Jon Garland SD SP
Scott Olsen Was SP

Joakim Soria KC RP
Mariano Rivera NYY RP
Jeremy Affeldt SF RP

Got two pitchers on the DL as you can see....

Anyway...any other thoughts would appreciated - thanks again.
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby acon44 » Tue May 11, 2010 11:14 am

Maybe I think differently here, but this one is not even close to me.

First, like somebody mentioned, Pujols is actually playing below his standard. I am pretty sure he has not hit a hr in his last 13 or so games. If his line looked like .345/13hrs/35rbi you would not even be thinking twice about this deal. So yes, whoever is trying to get you to do this deal is trying to buy low on him because this is about as low as he will get. Meanwhile he is selling you Ethier at as high value as you get. Don't get me wrong, I love both Ethier and Votto and I'm not saying they aren't great players, but neither is on the level of Pujols.

If you were going to trade pujols you HAVE to get a top 5 player in return. You will lose too much value by giving up the best player in the game otherwise.

With that said, I give credit to whoever offered you that deal because McCutchen is also a VERY nice young player, and he will be close to Crawford in value all year. If you break it up, I would never take Votto/Ethier for Pujols and Crawford/McCutchen side I would actually rather have McCutchen in a keeper league.

Just wait for Pujols next hot streak and then just smile when you realize he is still on your team.
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby bobellis75 » Tue May 11, 2010 12:10 pm

So we've got 1 vote to pull the trigger and 2 to stay put....any other thoughts?
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby bobellis75 » Tue May 11, 2010 3:06 pm

He sent a second offer....basically the same with an additional player swap added in:

I get Starlin Castro, he gets Adrian Beltre.

Otherwise, same 3-for-3 swap....

Thanks.
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby HOOTIE » Tue May 11, 2010 5:38 pm

I wouldn't do it. Pujols is worth more. Anderson is a legit stud in the making. Votto is overrated a bit imo. Crawford is nice, but his wheels will slow down soon in a keeper. Ethier is a power guy, but has struggled versus LHP before.

It's not close imo.
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Re: Pujols - to trade or not to trade....

Postby bigl2571 » Tue May 11, 2010 6:16 pm

I have the same problem dnt know if i should trade him or keep him.. im in last place in my divison
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