Offered Kinsler/Ichiro for Sabathia WHIR

[baseballcrazy]

UPDATE: Instead of letting me counter-offer his Kinsler/Bay he went ahead and accepted the Kinsler/Ichiro deal I proposed earlier. Am I coming out ahead?

First a little history. He offered Kinsler/Torii Hunter for Sabathia. I countered with Kinsler/Ichiro for Sabathia. He countered that with Kinsler/Bay for Sabathia saying he wasn't willing to give up the two bats for Sabathia.
Do I pull the trigger? I know Bay's struggling but do you guys think he can pick it up? Or do you guys see any other possible counters I could make him. Help would be much appreciated!

12 Team H2H 5x5

My Roster
C: Victor Martinez
1B: Adrian Gonzalez
2B: Chase Utley
3B: Ty Wigginton
SS: Stephen Drew
OF: Adam Lind
OF: Jose Guillen
OF: Colby Rasmus
Util: Marlon Byrd
Util: Rajai Davis
Bench: Gordon Beckham,Nick Swisher
DL: Curtis Granderson

SP: CC Sabathia, Jon Lester, Colby Lewis, Roy Oswalt, Tommy Hanson, Jaime Garcia, Jonathan Sanchez, David Price, Brian Matusz
RP: Jonathan Papelbon, Brian Fuentes

His Roster
C: Russell Martin
1B: Kendry Morales
2B: Ian Kinsler
3B: Mark DeRosa
SS: Alexei Ramirez
OF: Ichiro
OF: Jason Bay
OF: Torii Hunter
Util: Aaron Hill
Util: Andrew McCutchen
Bench: Todd Helton, Chone Figgins

SP: Adam Wainwright, Ervin Santana, Clay Kershaw, Scott Baker, Ben Sheets, Aaron Harang, Hiroki Kuroda, Max Scherzer
RP: Heath Bell, Carlos Marmol, Bobby Jenks

[BigBlue]

I'm really torn on this trade... You get 2 bats that have great potential as we've seen... You weaken your SP quite a bit... Unless you KNOW that you can flip either Kinsler or Utley for multiple SP, I actually would sit tight w/ CC...

[Kafka]

I think it's a good deal- you get a Top-10 2B and a nice OF with upside. Bay is a little underachieving right now but he has the potential to be a Top-20 Player.

I like your Pitching- you have lot of potential with Garcia, Price, Matusz, Sanchez and Lewis - it's obvious that these Pitchers will have dry games and pull an ugly Inning but so do the "elite"-P (I look at you Kershaw!).

With two U-spots you have the space to get those players (Bay/Kinsler) in your lineup.

[BigBlue]

I think it's a good deal- you get a Top-10 2B and a nice OF with upside. Bay is a little underachieving right now but he has the potential to be a Top-20 Player.

I like your Pitching- you have lot of potential with Garcia, Price, Matusz, Sanchez and Lewis - it's obvious that these Pitchers will have dry games and pull an ugly Inning but so do the "elite"-P (I look at you Kershaw!).

With two U-spots you have the space to get those players (Bay/Kinsler) in your lineup.

I looked at his Util spots as well... However, He kind of needs Rajai Davis' speed in his line-up AND he has Granderson on the DL... When he comes back, he's going to have a cluster f*#k at OF and Util... Which is why I said, while it looks nice and pretty based on the names, it doesn't exactly HELP his team in any way... If he got Kinsler/SP, i'd jump ALLLLLLLLL over it.... Hell, buy low on Kershaw if you can...

[Kafka]

y, thought about it- with the crowded OF but I think J.Guillen will cool down/or will go on the DL and C.Ramsus could and will cool down too - so it's nice to have a heating-up Bay and Kinsler.
Though I like your idea with Kinsler+P (Kershaw or Baker) - I think Baker will be more realistic cause he is not the bigger name.

[baseballcrazy]

ya, my main thought on the trade would be to move guillen once he cools down because there is no way he's goign to keep going at the pace he's at right now. You guys think that offering Kinsler/Baker would be worth it?

[BigBlue]

I'm going to say go for Kinsler/Kershaw first... Go from there... But adding 2 hitters doesn't make sense for your team...

[soty]

Yeah I think I would keep CC for now unless you can get better than Bay in return.

[baseballcrazy]

slight change...the trade was still up in which I countered Sabathia for Kinsler/Ichiro. Would Ichiro be considered a considerable upgrade from Bay. I understand that I'll have a log jam in the OF but i feel like i'm getting the better end of this deal.