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should I veto these trades?

Postby MasterX1918 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:03 pm

seems like a manager stopped caring and is selling his players. I can sort of rationalize the Votto for Buehrle trade as the guys a white sox fan and needs pitching, but i'm having difficulty with the 2nd trade. Both trades are terrible for team 2 regardless but I hate vetoing trades.

trade 1
Votto for Buehrle

trade 2
Miguel Cabrera
Leo Nunez (drop)

for

Paul Konerko
Raul Ibanez
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby bigmck » Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:53 pm

Miguel Cabrera for Miguel Cabrera????????
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby MasterX1918 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:18 pm

there, fixed it
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby Guaranteed Loser » Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:21 pm

I wouldn't

I agree they are lopsided, but not vetoable
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby Dan Lambskin » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:29 pm

an owner making 2 terrible trades is fishy...or like you said he doesnt care. either way i'd look at replacing him

that said, i'd still let the deals go through
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby MasterX1918 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:54 pm

I let them go through, and yes the guys not coming back haha
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby Kimbos Beard » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:40 pm

MasterX1918 wrote:I let them go through, and yes the guys not coming back haha


That sucks and I think there is a legitimate argument that those trades should have been vetoed. A team just dumping players because he has no intention of playing anymore definitely affects the integrity of the league.

The Cabrera trade is the real stickler for me.

Sorry that happened to you man.
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby Fantasy Judgment » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:21 pm

This is a tough call. The Votto for Buerhle trade is probably fair to allow given that Votto hasn't played a full season in the big leagues yet and Buerhle is a proven commodity (albeit not a dominant fantasy pitcher). The Cabrera trade is another story.

My first bit of advice to you is if you smell collusion or some other form of chicanery, then your instincts are probably right. For that reason alone, any trade involving a team you suspect of collusion should be voided. I assume you know the person in your league who you suspect of collusion. You should think long and hard on whether you want to directly address the person or passively allow the transactions and risk damaging the integrity of your league.

While Miguel Cabrera has a long resume of fantasy baseball dominance, he is no Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard or Prince Fielder. That being said, trading him and Nunez for Konerko and Ibanez is not lopsided or unfair on its face. Is it a smart trade? Probably not. Konerko is on the downside of his career and cannot match the numbers put up by Cabrera. But Raul Ibanez, when healthy, puts up very solid fantasy numbers hitting in the middle of the Phillies' lineup. Combining the stats of Konerko and Ibanez (when healthy and productive) is easily equivalent to Cabrera. So I would allow the trade if it was made between two teams with credibility. The fact it is being made by someone you suspect of colluding or dumping the season is reason enough to nullify the trade and prevent him from dealing at all. If you need any assistance with handling this, email me at michael.stein@fantasyjudgment.com.
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby ABA316 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:06 pm

Not to split hairs, but hasn't Votto been in the bigs since sometime in 2007?
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Re: should I veto these trades?

Postby Fantasy Judgment » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:34 pm

Votto has been around for parts of multiple seasons. Due to injury and part-time in the minors, he has yet to play a full season at the major league level. That being said, assuming he is healthy he will play 150 games and be very productive.
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