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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby Curtis Pride » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:30 pm

Havok1517 wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:Ichiro for sure.

bigh0rt wrote:I can't believe nobody's mentioned Delmon Young yet. Also Jeff Francoeur.


Interesting that two of the worst players in the bigs have the best arms :-S


That is not true. They haven't lived up to their hype but they aren't close the being the worst players in the majors. Not even close.

They are both absolutely two of the worst players in baseball. Now, they may improve, but at present, they are two of the worst players in all of baseball.

Especially Francouer who does nothing well. In his career, he doesn't hit for average. He doesn't hit for power. He doesn't walk. He strikes out too much. He's got no speed. He has no range in the field. He does have a very good arm. But of the 7 skills in baseball, he's dreadful in 6 of them, and great in 1.

Even guys like Cristian Guzman have more value than Francouer. He's down there with Yunesky Betancourt.
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Re: Best OF Arm?

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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby j24jags » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:18 pm

Francouer mashes LHPs, I agree that he has not lived up to his potential but in no way is his one of the worst players in the majors.
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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby mblax10 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:23 pm

Not enough love for Markakis in this thread. May have the most accurate arm in the league and has more than enough arm strength to be elite.
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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby mtxdevil » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:32 pm

j24jags wrote:Francouer mashes LHPs, I agree that he has not lived up to his potential but in no way is his one of the worst players in the majors.


Well... If you're a believer in WAR he was THE worst in 2008 among qualified players with -1.2 WAR and 9th worst in 2009 with a 0.1 WAR. If that's not among the worst in the majors I'm not sure what is.
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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby Havok1517 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:37 pm

Curtis Pride wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
AussieDodger wrote:Ichiro for sure.



Interesting that two of the worst players in the bigs have the best arms :-S


That is not true. They haven't lived up to their hype but they aren't close the being the worst players in the majors. Not even close.

They are both absolutely two of the worst players in baseball. Now, they may improve, but at present, they are two of the worst players in all of baseball.

Especially Francouer who does nothing well. In his career, he doesn't hit for average. He doesn't hit for power. He doesn't walk. He strikes out too much. He's got no speed. He has no range in the field. He does have a very good arm. But of the 7 skills in baseball, he's dreadful in 6 of them, and great in 1.

Even guys like Cristian Guzman have more value than Francouer. He's down there with Yunesky Betancourt.


No, once again this is wrong. They are rosterable in fantasy which means they are at least in the top 250 (12 X 21=252) players in baseball. Factor in defense, which has merit in reality, and they're even better. This really makes your statement foolish.
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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:15 am

mtxdevil wrote:
j24jags wrote:Francouer mashes LHPs, I agree that he has not lived up to his potential but in no way is his one of the worst players in the majors.


Well... If you're a believer in WAR he was THE worst in 2008 among qualified players with -1.2 WAR and 9th worst in 2009 with a 0.1 WAR. If that's not among the worst in the majors I'm not sure what is.


The flaw here is that you have to actually start to have a bad war. I might say that Francoeur is one of the worst starters in MLB. But there are guys floating around on MLB benches that are much worse.....
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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:19 am

Havok1517 wrote:
Curtis Pride wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
That is not true. They haven't lived up to their hype but they aren't close the being the worst players in the majors. Not even close.

They are both absolutely two of the worst players in baseball. Now, they may improve, but at present, they are two of the worst players in all of baseball.

Especially Francouer who does nothing well. In his career, he doesn't hit for average. He doesn't hit for power. He doesn't walk. He strikes out too much. He's got no speed. He has no range in the field. He does have a very good arm. But of the 7 skills in baseball, he's dreadful in 6 of them, and great in 1.

Even guys like Cristian Guzman have more value than Francouer. He's down there with Yunesky Betancourt.


No, once again this is wrong. They are rosterable in fantasy which means they are at least in the top 250 (12 X 21=252) players in baseball. Factor in defense, which has merit in reality, and they're even better. This really makes your statement foolish.


Francoeur is not rosterable due not to what he's done either of the past 2 years; he's rosterable due to his potential. Furthermore, his skills are best shown in fantasy. He can't draw a walk and has no range. Those two things have merit in real life; Francoeur is awful at both.... Francoeur OBPs like .300. That's terrible....especially from a corner OF who doesn't even play good D....
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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby CharlatanSin » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:55 am

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Re: Best OF Arm?

Postby Curtis Pride » Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:03 pm

Havok1517 wrote:
Curtis Pride wrote:
Havok1517 wrote:
That is not true. They haven't lived up to their hype but they aren't close the being the worst players in the majors. Not even close.

They are both absolutely two of the worst players in baseball. Now, they may improve, but at present, they are two of the worst players in all of baseball.

Especially Francouer who does nothing well. In his career, he doesn't hit for average. He doesn't hit for power. He doesn't walk. He strikes out too much. He's got no speed. He has no range in the field. He does have a very good arm. But of the 7 skills in baseball, he's dreadful in 6 of them, and great in 1.

Even guys like Cristian Guzman have more value than Francouer. He's down there with Yunesky Betancourt.


No, once again this is wrong. They are rosterable in fantasy which means they are at least in the top 250 (12 X 21=252) players in baseball. Factor in defense, which has merit in reality, and they're even better. This really makes your statement foolish.

If you think the fact that they mediocre enough in fantasy baseball to be rosterable in small leagues means anything about how good they are in real baseball, then I am not going to waste my time arguing as you are too far gone.
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