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Postby woodson_28 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:56 pm

Besides running out of gas late in the game, this guy put up a great start.

Missed all of last season with an injury. The season before he put up a 3.39 ERA and 1.16 WHIP over 153 IP.

Doesn't look like he'll put up a ton of wins or K's. I'm just curious if anybody follows the guy and could shed some light on his potential. Or is he just a "one-week-hot-commodity" type player?

I'm thinking of dropping Dice-K for him in a keeper league.

7x7 w/ traditional 5x5 cats + K/9 and QS. I currently have 3 SP on the DL, but only one DL spot:

Galladro, Lowe, Kershaw, Peavy, Hanson, Hamels, Price, Carmona
Wagner, Qualls
and my 3 DL SP: Webb, Kazmir and Dice-K.
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby AtlantisBubba » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:03 pm

woodson_28 wrote:Besides running out of gas late in the game, this guy put up a great start.

Missed all of last season with an injury. The season before he put up a 3.39 ERA and 1.16 WHIP over 153 IP.

Doesn't look like he'll put up a ton of wins or K's. I'm just curious if anybody follows the guy and could shed some light on his potential. Or is he just a "one-week-hot-commodity" type player?

I'm thinking of dropping Dice-K for him in a keeper league.

7x7 w/ traditional 5x5 cats + K/9 and QS. I currently have 3 SP on the DL, but only one DL spot:

Galladro, Lowe, Kershaw, Peavy, Hanson, Hamels, Price, Carmona
Wagner, Qualls
and my 3 DL SP: Webb, Kazmir and Dice-K.


I might be a bit bias as I am Canadian and thus follow the Jays; however, I think he will do well. If you look at his stats from the year before last, he was really doing well. He is certainly not going to replace Halladay, but he will be a suitable pitcher. Given that you are in a keeper league, I think he holds more value than Dice-K....even if it wasn't a keeper, I would probably argue he has more value than Dice-K. I would probably put him ahead of Carmona too. Basically, you are going to get a guy that will put up some solid numbers and eat up innings. His K's won't be great, but they won't be that bad. I agree with the arguments on the wins, but I wouldn't discount them too much. The Jays won't win a lot, but many argue that is because of their pitching. Thus, if Marcum pitches good (and he can), then he should get some wins as the Jays can certainly rake with their lineup. I wouldn't worry (hopefully) too much about Frasor's meltdown today as he was fairly solid last year. The Jays also have a great bullpen, so if Marcum gives them the lead in the 7th many nights, then he should get the win 9/10.

If you have thoughts on my trade posted, let me know.

Good Luck.
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby woodson_28 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:08 pm

thanks.

Anybody else? Does Marcum have more potential than Dice-K? Carmona? Lowe? etc...
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby AtlantisBubba » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:16 pm

And for the record, 2007 and 2008 he averaged 7.5 K/9...so he will help you there as well.
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby thejusman1 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:16 pm

I would rather have Marcum than Lowe, Dice K, or Carmona. I would probably drop Dice BB or Carmona... probably Carmona.
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby sKooch » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:28 pm

I'd take Marcum over Lowe and Dice-K. Much more upside.
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby Elsy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:53 pm

This guy should have already been picked up in your league IMO, it has been much more than the usual 12 month recovery time for Shaun coming back from injury. He was stellar today and didn't really tire in the 7th IMO, was watching the game. He made a great pitch after giving up the first hit in the game to Vlad and walking (Hamilton I think)....anyways, the pitch was somewhat down and away not really out over the plate at all, Cruz went down and got it put some good wood on it and it rode the jetstream out to RF. He still got out of the inning ok, he only gave up the 2 hits in 7 full innings in his first start in over a year and half. He will be solid and glad you did you by the all star break.
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby Hes So Taguchi » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:59 pm

This guy should have already been picked up in your league IMO, it has been much more than the usual 12 month recovery time for Shaun coming back from injury. He was stellar today and didn't really tire in the 7th IMO, was watching the game. He made a great pitch after giving up the first hit in the game to Vlad and walking (Hamilton I think)....anyways, the pitch was somewhat down and away not really out over the plate at all, Cruz went down and got it put some good wood on it and it rode the jetstream out to RF. He still got out of the inning ok, he only gave up the 2 hits in 7 full innings in his first start in over a year and half. He will be solid and glad you did you by the all star break.


Just want to echo this. I grabbed Marcum in the late rounds of the draft and I couldn't be happier. He looked nasty today. His change up was unhittable and when he finally did surrender the HR it was, as has been noted, a pitch that was down and away. He hit his spot and got unlucky. You can't go wrong here, especially for the value. If he's already been picked up I'd consider trying to get him really cheap before (hopefully) he heats up.
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby Doughhead » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:28 pm

Big Marcum fan. I think he's got a chance to put up the kind of season James Shields had in 2007.

12-8
215 IP
3.85
1.11
184 Ks

Not super-sexy, maybe, but a solid season for a mid-rotation starter in the tough AL East. Coming off injury, the IP likely won't be that high, but Marcum is the Jays' de facto "ace" and Cito is old-school, so I wouldn't rule out 200 IP if he can avoid the DL. His WHIP will also certainly be a few points higher than Shields' stellar 1.11. But the rest should be pretty close. Somewhere in the 170-180 K range and an ERA around 4.00 or even a bit under.

He can definitely help fantasy teams in 2010. He doesn't have amazing "stuff," if by "stuff" you mean velocity. He does have a mean change-up, though, and he knows what he's doing on the mound. I can guarantee he's kicking himself as much for the one-out walk to Josh Hamilton as for the three-run jack to Nelson Cruz two batters later that tied the game today. He's the kind of guy that will remember that and learn from it. He's also a very good athlete--a former shortstop--and he plays his position really well. I think this, and the fact that he doesn't rely on throwing gas, may help him overcome the usual hurdles of a pitcher returning from a major arm injury. He'll take his lumps, especially playing in the AL East, but he'll also have a lot of games like today, where he is dominant. I wouldn't rule out a couple of double-digit K efforts along the way. A great value as a late round pick or WW grab. Don't sleep on him.
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Re: Thoughts on Shaun Marcum?

Postby CLN » Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:02 am

Did Marcum throw harder than 87 mph before the surgery? I never saw enough of him before to really know what was in his repertoire and I know he wasn't a real hard thrower, but today his fastball was consistently 86 mph, sometimes 87 mph. I read a game recap article earlier where he was compared to a Greg Maddux type, and I don't really remember him being that type of pitcher. I mean 86, that's pretty soft!
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