12 team 6x6, feel fairly good about my team here. Considering moving Sabathia in a trade for a Justin Upton/Matt Holliday, or the smarter move would be to upgrade SS or Catcher and pull in a RP? Any thoughts on what YOU would do with this team?
C- Doumit 1B - Texiera 2B - Kendrick SS - Theriot 3B - Longoria IF - Howard OF - McCutchen OF - Ibanez OF - Rios OF - Adam Jones UTILITY - Pierre BE Chris Coughlan BE Juan Rivera BE Kyle Blanks
I would definitely move an arm for either one of those OFers, you could surely use the OF help... I would try CC/Jones for either or go as far as CC/Ibanez for either. As far as the C/SS situation goes, depends on what your looking for out of Theriot? Doumit is a solid flier pick, and Theriot will give you a good average and 80-90R/20+SB, now power out of Ryan? No. But solid? Yes. I would be much more concerned with the OF and look at securing a stud OFer to combo with McCutch/Rios/Pierre.
I say save your chips for SS/catcher. I'm a Coghlan advocate. Just posted this in another thread. 72 SBs in about 300 minor league games with an 80% success rate. Especially in a league like this that doubles up on hits he's a great chip. Always had low strikeout rates and high BABIPs. Has some power potential left. I could very much see .300-10-65-100-30 in the five standard cats and lots of hits too. Plus he's a natural infielder, and the Marlins could always wind up with a hole at 2B or 3B, which would very possibly lead to Coghlan moving there, gaining an extra position, and Michael Stanton being called up.
Rivera's another very solid value, and I think Rios is in for a bounceback. Even with the injury, most of his struggles were BABIP related, he was down about .040 points from his career rate, but most of his other component rates were the same. You may not have a true #1 outfielder, but you have excellent pieces to mix and match with, assuming this is Roto and not H2H. I'd give it more thought in H2H where you play matchups weekly instead of daily, but I'd still probably upgrade a premium position instead. McCutchen, Jones, and Coghlan play every day and you play matchups with Ibanez, Pierre, Rios, and Rivera. Rivera's a very solid value for anything but speed. Ibanez is a good platoon player because of his home ballpark and supporting offense. Pierre can give you speed if you really need it. Rios gives you a mix of power and speed.
If you want to deal one of your aces, I'd probably target Jose Reyes, Ben Zobrist, Jimmy Rollins, Brian McCann, or Victor Martinez. Zobrist would be an awesome pickup, because then you could play around with Kendrick and Theriot depending on whose hot, though I'd probably try to drop Theriot for someone with more upside like Alcides Escobar or Ian Desmond.
Another thought would be you could shop Brett Anderson for a better sleeper at OF, SS, 2B, or Catcher. You have Slowey and Scherzer, slightly less hyped, high upside arms. Maybe you could snag someone like Carlos Gonzalez, Julio Borbon, Jay Bruce, Ian Stewart, Gordon Beckham. Maybe you could make it a two for two and deal Anderson and Doumit to someone desperate for pitching and try to get Miguel Montero, Mike Napoli, or Geovany Soto and one of the guys listed here. I like their upsides more than Doumit and feel they carry less risk. You could try something similar at SS, but with Theriot instead of Doumit and Stephen Drew instead of Montero/Napoli/Soto.
Thanks for the thorough response! I agree with everything you said, you'll hate to hear that I actually just traded Bruce away to GET Anderson, but here me out. I got AJones and Anderson for Choo and Bruce, because I thought three aces with the other arms I had were overkill. Moving for Anderson, my arms I think can survive without one of those three aces. Halladay I think will wind up the number 1 at the end of the year if healthy, and I just love having Lester on there as a Sox Fan, although up here I'd probably get more value out of him than Sabathia, or at least the same value....hmmm. I was asked if I wanted Reyes earlier today, and Im not sure how much I really do. He would be discounted.........
I like that latest proposal a lot. You get your closer, an upgrade at SS, great upside in Hanson, and Zobrist without losing a whole lot. My only worry is you don't have a second MI to back Zobrist up and it becomes tougher to drop a pitcher if you're trading Scherzer too. I'd still probably drop Correia and add someone like Alcides Escobar, Ian Desmond, or Kelly Johnson if available. Its a pretty close call between this and a deal that would give you Reyes for CC straight up.
What I had originally written before seeing your update:
I'd go for Reyes, but I'm biased because I'm a Mets fan. He should only miss five games to start the year, at least according to the latest reports, and he's playing full speed in minor league games now and running really well so it seems legit. I don't see him being any worse than the 5th best SS (unless he gets hurt again of course, which there is some risk of), and he could be as high as the 2nd depending on how good a year Tulo, Rollins, and Zobrist have.
I definitely see the logic in Bruce for Anderson. You don't exactly need another mid-level outfield sleeper, that's what you're loaded with already. I didn't even mention Blanks whose an excellent power sleeper, but obviously carries lineup/ballpark concerns. Getting Anderson absolutely frees you up to trade an ace and makes sense if the right offer comes along. I'm not sure if you could do better than Reyes, but I'd probably do Reyes before Upton or Holliday with your roster, even if they're second rounders and Reyes is going in the fourth. The gap between Theriot and Reyes is larger than the gap between what you'd get out of your outfield with Upton/Holliday vs. with what you have already.
I would also agree that CC is the best candidate trade, though I wouldn't write of Halladay. Lester seems more undervalued and CC more overvalued, and there's always the risk that a guy like Jeter regresses again defensively to what he had been every other year this decade. As for Halladay, I have some reservations about him and he's definitely got a huge perceived value tag, I don't think he's in Lincecum's class as an SP even though he's being drafted that way. I'm not sure the Phillies are as great as everyone thinks, and their ballpark always scares the hell out of me, especially for a guy who hasn't had a K/9 over 8.00 since 2001, has a career mark below 7.00, and whose seen his GB% regress a bit over the last few years. Halladay still gets lots of grounders, but he was over 60% a few years ago, now he's barely over 50%. And while the Phillies infield defense is good, Polanco has to be viewed as a defensive downgrade from Feliz, and they had some offensive performers who were way over their heads, like Ibanez and Ruiz, though run support shouldn't be a problem. There's also their end-game problem with Lidge, but again, no reason to be alarmed there just yet, just mindful.
Then again, I am a Mets fan, so of course I'm skeptical of the Phils
Relddem wrote:I like that latest proposal a lot. You get your closer, an upgrade at SS, great upside in Hanson, and Zobrist without losing a whole lot. My only worry is you don't have a second MI to back Zobrist up and it becomes tougher to drop a pitcher if you're trading Scherzer too. I'd still probably drop Correia and add someone like Alcides Escobar, Ian Desmond, or Kelly Johnson if available. Its a pretty close call between this and a deal that would give you Reyes for CC straight up.
What I had originally written before seeing your update:
I'd go for Reyes, but I'm biased because I'm a Mets fan. He should only miss five games to start the year, at least according to the latest reports, and he's playing full speed in minor league games now and running really well so it seems legit. I don't see him being any worse than the 5th best SS (unless he gets hurt again of course, which there is some risk of), and he could be as high as the 2nd depending on how good a year Tulo, Rollins, and Zobrist have.
I definitely see the logic in Bruce for Anderson. You don't exactly need another mid-level outfield sleeper, that's what you're loaded with already. I didn't even mention Blanks whose an excellent power sleeper, but obviously carries lineup/ballpark concerns. Getting Anderson absolutely frees you up to trade an ace and makes sense if the right offer comes along. I'm not sure if you could do better than Reyes, but I'd probably do Reyes before Upton or Holliday with your roster, even if they're second rounders and Reyes is going in the fourth. The gap between Theriot and Reyes is larger than the gap between what you'd get out of your outfield with Upton/Holliday vs. with what you have already.
I would also agree that CC is the best candidate trade, though I wouldn't write of Halladay. Lester seems more undervalued and CC more overvalued, and there's always the risk that a guy like Jeter regresses again defensively to what he had been every other year this decade. As for Halladay, I have some reservations about him and he's definitely got a huge perceived value tag, I don't think he's in Lincecum's class as an SP even though he's being drafted that way. I'm not sure the Phillies are as great as everyone thinks, and their ballpark always scares the hell out of me, especially for a guy who hasn't had a K/9 over 8.00 since 2001, has a career mark below 7.00, and whose seen his GB% regress a bit over the last few years. Halladay still gets lots of grounders, but he was over 60% a few years ago, now he's barely over 50%. And while the Phillies infield defense is good, Polanco has to be viewed as a defensive downgrade from Feliz, and they had some offensive performers who were way over their heads, like Ibanez and Ruiz, though run support shouldn't be a problem. There's also their end-game problem with Lidge, but again, no reason to be alarmed there just yet, just mindful.
Then again, I am a Mets fan, so of course I'm skeptical of the Phils
I know I can get Reyes+ for Sabathia, he lost the season last year pretty much because of Reyes (and I traded him Adam Jones and Eric Bedard when they were both redhot last summer for Halladay, just before they both dropped off the face of the earth) and he happens to have Jeter at short so the deal works well on paper. It comes down to what the value gap is. God I'd love to not have to root for the Yankees every five days, Halladay has 22 win potential, with QS thrown in the mix....but Id be surprised if I couldnt get Reyes and a Tim Hudsonesque replacement for the deal, which the more I dwell, I might just have to. That seem wiser than the Zobrist Alexei offer to you, or anyone else? Or maybe Ill just drop them both out there and wait...
I had sent a Sabathia/Juan Rivera for Hudson/Reyes offer but quickly canceled it. He wrote back saying"I'd have done that", which I assumed. Not sure, I sent him the same with for Lackey instead of Hudson, we'll see
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