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Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby mhuhn23 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:48 pm

I just had a trade accepted...

I receive: Lincecum, Votto, and Coghlan

I give: Kemp, Helton, and Cain

I was told by others in the league that I robbed him blind, so what am I missing here? Votto for Helton is clearly where I made a huge gain, but last year Lincecum and Cain were very similar in output (beside strikeouts), and well, everybody knows what Kemp has the potential to do with his bat and wheels.

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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby TheJordanRulz » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:55 pm

i like kemp a hair better than lince but if we were drafting and kemp and braun plus the top 4 were gone, i've gone with lince.

i'd look at it as lince +coughlan for kemp and helton (throw in) and then votto vs cain. value-wise, votto is much better so that's where you win. nice trade.
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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby The Artful Dodger » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:57 pm

Yeah, you got the better end of the deal. Getting Votto on the side for relatively cheap is too good to pass down. Cain was also lucky last year and Lincecum is far and away, the better ace.
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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby The Mighty Trow » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:01 pm

I wouldn't say "blind." I do think this is a pretty fair trade. Kemp > Lincecum, Votto > Cain, and Coghlan is roughly equal to Helton.

You sold high on Cain, too.

Pretty fair trade of pitching help for hitting help with ancillary players thrown in to balance it out. Well done ;-D

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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby Nighttrain » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:27 pm

There is no robbing here. I always take the best bat in a deal and always deal pitching for hitting. When you break it out

Kemp for Votto: Advantage Kemp
Cain for Lincecum: advantage Lincecum
Helton for Cooghlan: slight advantage Coghlan

I thinks its a fair trade and you win slightly, that being said I would not be trading Kemp even for Lincecum.

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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby Elsy » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:57 pm

I dealt Kemp prior to our draft in a 17 man keeper league and got:

Got - Alex Rodriguez/1st and 3rd round farm team picks (picks turned into Donovan Tate - who I've since dealt for Brett Wallace and Zachary Wheeler.

Gave - Matt Kemp/Josh Beckett

I think you are getting much better overall value than I did and I think I did pretty good in getting what I got. So yeah you win the deal, but is it a killing as other managers in your league say right now NO, but depending on how things work out with Cain and Votto this year it might end up being that way.

I did a trade 2 years ago when I recieved Prince as a rookie (or coming off rookie season) and I gave Ichiro and Chad Billingsley (who at the time was being tauted as next great Dodger SP) yes he has been real solid but not the stud he was projecting back then. I think that worked out pretty damn good for me.
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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby cmcneff » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:44 pm

I love that trade for you. Lincecum is a monster. Cain had a great year last year, but i highly doubt maintain that level. Votto is working his way up being a top-tier 1B, and I really think he's got a lot of improving still to do. And with some of the younger guys in Cincy getting more experience, the bats all around him are going to be producing more support than he's seen while in the big leagues. IMO, Kemp's definitately solid, but a little over-valued in most circles. If your OF can withstand the loss, I'd much rather have Lince and Votto.
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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby mhuhn23 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:50 pm

cmcneff wrote:I love that trade for you. Lincecum is a monster. Cain had a great year last year, but i highly doubt maintain that level. Votto is working his way up being a top-tier 1B, and I really think he's got a lot of improving still to do. And with some of the younger guys in Cincy getting more experience, the bats all around him are going to be producing more support than he's seen while in the big leagues. IMO, Kemp's definitately solid, but a little over-valued in most circles. If your OF can withstand the loss, I'd much rather have Lince and Votto.


Thanks, I agree...my other OF is Elsbury, Adam Jones, and Heyward...plus Fowler and now Coghlan.
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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby mangenuis » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:37 pm

You def got the better deal in my opinion. But as in any trade it's a matter of preference. Kemp is one the best players in the league who could easily go 30/30 so if that guy wanted him he did not get robbed at all. Lincy and votto or nice but who knows about coghlan, he could have a soph slump and suck this year.
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Re: Lincecum for Matt Kemp trade, is it fair? WHIR

Postby AquaMan2342 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:29 pm

Getting Votto puts this deal over the top for you for sure. He's worth far more than Cain. Not to mention Coghlan has decent upside himself.
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