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Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby TheBambino » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:55 am

I picked him up 240th overall and feel thats a steal!!! Hes so low on ADP and yet he has been solid with exception of last year.... Every article ive read indicates a huge rebound... he dropped 15 pounds and wants to drop more.... his mindset has changed this year.... just seems good.... what does everyone think?
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby Ender » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:13 am

Last year was actually his best year out of the last 3. He probably is getting drafted too late but he is no longer anywhere near an ace level pitcher and hasn't been for a long time now. He is starting to break down physically as well so the innings aren't likely to be over 175 or so either.
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby DaSh 1s » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:56 am

He can mutilate your WHIP, literally all by himself.
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby Fenris-77 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:07 am

DaSh 1s wrote:He can mutilate your WHIP, literally all by himself.
If he wears a cool mask made of other people's skin while he's doing it I might be ok with that. :-D It's got cache anyway.
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby DaSh 1s » Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:22 am

Fenris-77 wrote:
DaSh 1s wrote:He can mutilate your WHIP, literally all by himself.
If he wears a cool mask made of other people's skin while he's doing it I might be ok with that. :-D It's got cache anyway.


He shoulda been wearing a mask when he did it, April 1.485, May 1.375, July 1.354, August 2.53

^It was absolutely vicious and amazing what he could do to a team's WHIP on a week to week basis.
B-Chad wrote:Pedroia's LD rate of 20% is reason to believe he'll maintain a higher BA then Cano. It should also be noted he hits more FB's then Cano, which means that even if he posts a lower HR/FB then Cano, he should come in reasonably close to Cano in HR's
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby Fenris-77 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:40 am

DaSh 1s wrote:
Fenris-77 wrote:
DaSh 1s wrote:He can mutilate your WHIP, literally all by himself.
If he wears a cool mask made of other people's skin while he's doing it I might be ok with that. :-D It's got cache anyway.


He shoulda been wearing a mask when he did it, April 1.485, May 1.375, July 1.354, August 2.53

^It was absolutely vicious and amazing what he could do to a team's WHIP on a week to week basis.

That sounds like human skin mask and chainsaw territory to me. ;-D If I were feeling charitable I'd call it hockey mask and hunting knife territory, but either way it's not something I want to watch.
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby mrmarley » Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:42 am

Fenris-77 wrote:
DaSh 1s wrote:He can mutilate your WHIP, literally all by himself.
If he wears a cool mask made of other people's skin while he's doing it I might be ok with that. :-D It's got cache anyway.


Michael Barrett better watch out Image And I agree, he walks too many...but at least his K% went back above 20% in 2009. He's been living off of his pre-2008 years for the last couple years. On the brightside, at least his value is dropping far enough that he's not such a big investment anymore:

2008 MDP for SP's = 11
Final 5x5 SP Rank = 47

2009 MDP for SP's = 23
Final 5x5 SP Rank = 59

2010 MDP for SP's = 39
Final 5x5 SP Rank = ??
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby kab21 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:15 am

I'm down on the Big Z every year.

Missing starts - check. nagging injuries - check. horrendous BB rate - check, all signs pointing to a breakdown - check

it is nice to see that his K rate rebounded to a nice level (8K/9) after dropping all the way to 6.2 in '08.
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:57 am

At any rate, he's a good value grab late. Cheap, little investment. May do well.
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Re: Why is everyone so Down on the Big Z this year?

Postby Fenris-77 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:03 am

OneLoveBoomer wrote:At any rate, he's a good value grab late. Cheap, little investment. May do well.
There's enough late round value in pitching that might still avoid him in favour of upside picks, but I wouldn't avoid him completely just on priciple either. The potential for bounce back is still there after all (although maybe not a huge bounce back).
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