GRANDERSON CMON! This is a no contest. Granderson will pull a 30+/20~ season with a .270~ avg. People who are saying Bay are just FANBOYS. Go with the young stud, G-R-A-N-D-E-R-S-O-N.
GOGOGADGETFLOW wrote:GRANDERSON CMON! This is a no contest. Granderson will pull a 30+/20~ season with a .270~ avg. People who are saying Bay are just FANBOYS. Go with the young stud, G-R-A-N-D-E-R-S-O-N.
Well the Cafe's own rankings on the front page have Bay at #9 and Granderson at #12 so it is not exactly a no brainer, plus Granderson is going to hit 7th in the lineup.
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Exactly why I love fantasy baseball. Bay's career averages are: .280, 33 HR, 107 RBI, 102 R and 12 SB. For 4 or 5 SBs, you're giving up close to 10 jacks and 30 RBI, plus a poorer batting average.
And Citi Field and Yankee Stadium weren't too far off from each other, so I'd suggest looking at park factors before throwing out a claim like that:
Yankee Stadium - 20th overall, .965 runs Citi FIeld - 22nd overall, .943 runs
People seem to forget the absolutely power-less lineup the Mets threw out every night last year compared to the Yankees. Yes, Yankee Stadium saw more HRs but anyone who thinks Teixeira or A-Rod wouldn't have been hitting HRs in any stadium is crazy.
So, give me the guy batting clean-up with a proven track-record over the guy batting 7th or 8th...
rails80 wrote:Exactly why I love fantasy baseball. Bay's career averages are: .280, 33 HR, 107 RBI, 102 R and 12 SB. For 4 or 5 SBs, you're giving up close to 10 jacks and 30 RBI, plus a poorer batting average.
And Citi Field and Yankee Stadium weren't too far off from each other, so I'd suggest looking at park factors before throwing out a claim like that:
Yankee Stadium - 20th overall, .965 runs Citi FIeld - 22nd overall, .943 runs
People seem to forget the absolutely power-less lineup the Mets threw out every night last year compared to the Yankees. Yes, Yankee Stadium saw more HRs but anyone who thinks Teixeira or A-Rod wouldn't have been hitting HRs in any stadium is crazy.
So, give me the guy batting clean-up with a proven track-record over the guy batting 7th or 8th...
Granderson went 30/20 last year and is moving to a better hitters' ballpark. Bay is moving to a ballpark/lineup combo less favorable to his numbers than he had while in Pittsburgh. And, yes, I would rather have the guy batting behind A-Rod, Teixeira, Cano, and Posada than the cleanup hitter in the worst lineup in the NL East.
We're not drafting last year's stats with last year's ballparks and lineups.
One year does not give a clear indication of what the ballpark is. If it happens again this year, I'll start to wonder. But when you have no power hitters in your line-up, you're not going to hit a lot of HRs.
Bay's ADP is 27.24...Granderson's is 51.09. That means Bay is going as a 2nd-3rd round pick. Granderson is going as a 4th-5th round pick.
I do find it funny that you point to Granderson's stats last year and then say that we're not drafting based on last year's stats. While I'll give you that Granderson is going to what seems to be a better hitter's park, so is Bay. In terms of HRs, Fenway was 21st last year, Citi Field was 12th. Detroit was 18th.
Sure, Granderson hit 30 HRs, but he brought a .249 avg with it and only 71 RBIs and a .780 OPS. His career OPS is .828. Bay hit 36 HR, drove in 119 and had 20 more BBs than Granderson...Oh, and a .921 OPS. And, he did all of that with 72 less PA.
rails80 wrote:One year does not give a clear indication of what the ballpark is. If it happens again this year, I'll start to wonder. But when you have no power hitters in your line-up, you're not going to hit a lot of HRs.
Bay's ADP is 27.24...Granderson's is 51.09. That means Bay is going as a 2nd-3rd round pick. Granderson is going as a 4th-5th round pick.
I do find it funny that you point to Granderson's stats last year and then say that we're not drafting based on last year's stats. While I'll give you that Granderson is going to what seems to be a better hitter's park, so is Bay. In terms of HRs, Fenway was 21st last year, Citi Field was 12th. Detroit was 18th.
Sure, Granderson hit 30 HRs, but he brought a .249 avg with it and only 71 RBIs and a .780 OPS. His career OPS is .828. Bay hit 36 HR, drove in 119 and had 20 more BBs than Granderson...Oh, and a .921 OPS. And, he did all of that with 72 less PA.
I haven't seen Bay go earlier than the 4th round in any of my leagues.
David Wright went from 25-30 HRs to 10. That's a red flag.
David Wright had absolutely no protection and the weight of the team on his shoulders. Watching the Mets game I watch, he was swinging at anything and everything near the strike zone and looked really ugly doing it.
Where is Granderson being drafted in your leagues? I was basing my ADPs from Mockdraftcentral
rails80 wrote:David Wright had absolutely no protection and the weight of the team on his shoulders. Watching the Mets game I watch, he was swinging at anything and everything near the strike zone and looked really ugly doing it.
Where is Granderson being drafted in your leagues? I was basing my ADPs from Mockdraftcentral
rails80 wrote:One year does not give a clear indication of what the ballpark is. If it happens again this year, I'll start to wonder. But when you have no power hitters in your line-up, you're not going to hit a lot of HRs.
Bay's ADP is 27.24...Granderson's is 51.09. That means Bay is going as a 2nd-3rd round pick. Granderson is going as a 4th-5th round pick.
I do find it funny that you point to Granderson's stats last year and then say that we're not drafting based on last year's stats. While I'll give you that Granderson is going to what seems to be a better hitter's park, so is Bay. In terms of HRs, Fenway was 21st last year, Citi Field was 12th. Detroit was 18th.
Sure, Granderson hit 30 HRs, but he brought a .249 avg with it and only 71 RBIs and a .780 OPS. His career OPS is .828. Bay hit 36 HR, drove in 119 and had 20 more BBs than Granderson...Oh, and a .921 OPS. And, he did all of that with 72 less PA.
I haven't seen Bay go earlier than the 4th round in any of my leagues.
David Wright went from 25-30 HRs to 10. That's a red flag.
Wright hit poorly for power both at home and on the road last year so he did not hit for power anywhere last year
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