Yes...I am coming on here to complain. Chances are I just need someone to tell me to stop being a baby, but I need to vent my frustration at this situation. Being called a baby by a crowd that actually knows what a BABIP is would mean a little more than the guy who just tried to convince me of what was "best for the league".
There was some unpleasantness in one of my keeper leagues (keep 8) tonight. A team where the guy missed the draft was trying to deal from his strength (pitching) to fill his weakness (hitting). I had a weakness in pitching and a few extra OF, and an interest in Jon Lester. 3 days ago I contact him about Lester...he starts throwing me bunk trade offers like Cano/Car-Gon for Lester. Over the next three days, I parried the dumb offers, sent counters, negotiated, spit metrics and stats and many times patiently waited while he disappeared for hours at a time when negotiations weren't going his way. The constant in all the bunk offers was Car-Gon, so I zeroed in, offering Car-Gon and Garza for Lester. This deal he accepted...I'm ecstatic that I was able to make this deal, because it would not only allow me to add Lester to my staff, but also to pick up Shawn Marcum. He fills needs by getting the OF he desperately needs, with upside to boot, and gets another starter that he's high on, is still young and had a better season than his final line indicates last year, and who he could deal for another bat if necessary.
Just as I go to my team to move Lester into the lineup...I see that the trade was vetoed, and the team I made the trade with has been locked out. Apparently...5 members of the league banded together to ask the commish to boot this guy from the league. Commish talks to the guy, and gets a "bad feeling" and tells him he's going to boot him, then sees the trade go through. So he vetoes it, thinking roster dump. I'm now being told that there is nothing I can do, that it's just poor timing, that the trade looked like a roster dump, and the only recourse I have is to offer the trade to the next manager.
As you can tell...I feel a little bit shafted and baffled that this trade could be labelled a "roster dump".
Feel free to leave comments, opinions on the trade and it's vetoability, the situation itself, or exclamations that I should get over myself below. (I honestly am just here to hear from people who know baseball to tell me to deal with it.) My roster is below for reference:
12 team H2H keeper, 6x6 w/IP and Total Bases added C Miguel Montero 1B Adrian Gonzalez 2B Robinson Cano 3B Ryan Zimmerman SS Elvis Andrus OF Matt Kemp OF Adam Lind OF Andrew McCutchen UTIL Jay Bruce UTIL Carlos Gonzalez BN Rajai Davis BN Travis Snider
SP Justin Verlander SP Cole Hamels SP Jered Weaver RP Brian Wilson RP Frank Francisco P Billy Wagner P Matt Garza BN Max Scherzer BN Rich Harden BN Francisco Liriano BN Joel Pineiro
I'm guessing there must be more to this story - by the sounds of it they already wanted to boot this guy before the trade happened, so what is the story behind their decision. I'm really against veto's but if there is a legitimate reason to kick this guy out and bring a new GM in it probably wouldn't be fair to the new GM to have a blue chip trade piece gone before he takes over....having said that I completely understand why you would be upset.
I don't think that the trade was veto worthy unless, as stated prior, that it was already in the works to get this guy out of the league. I would talk to the commish and find out the reasons he was booted, and why he didn't give the other managers in the league a reason to voice their support or not on that matter; because if you knew he was possibly going to be booted you wouldn't have tried so hard to make a trade with him. I think that it was a fair deal and you did get a little screwed but it is out of your hands unless the GM taking over wants to do that deal with you.
After talking to the commish, here's the story: the 5 managers have been hinting for a week, and formally came to him earlier today. They had a problem with the fact that he was always offering these bunk offers (although he would usually come right down to earth if you sent him a counter), and that he would disappear for periods off YIM. The commish came to me and told me that he was going to talk to the guy and give him one last chance, but that he liked the guy and was not going to kick him out until there was another set of complaints. I then verified that he wasn't kicking him out, because he had come back down to earth on his offer and a deal was imminent. Once assured that he would remain in the league, I finished the deal before all hell broke loose so to speak. I was just caught in the cross-fire I guess...
by footballisbetter.com » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:44 am
Seanyfever wrote:Boooo vetos.Trade seems most legit. Never get flack in my league for that. I have seen so much worse and no veto.
I agree. I don't play in any leagues where the league gets to vote on a trade veto. There can be alterior motives to veto trades. All trades should be allowed unless the Commish smells collusion. Not all trades seem fair on paper and some owners may overvalue players, but trades shouldn't get vetoed because one owner may not be as savvy as others. I don't like it.
Hmm tough situation. Your trade definitely is not veto worthy. But it sounds like there was alot of behind the scenes stuff and your trade was not vetoed based on the players but based on the fact that they were in the process of kicking the guy out of the league.
If they were in the process of kicking him out of the league and he starts making trades, I can see why they would not want him doing that, even if the trade itself is seemingly fair.
To me it seems you just got caught in the $hi% storm, it wasn't your fault and it isnt really fair to you.
However, for a 12 team league you have a very strong team, you are in good shape!