Health Care bill

[markj11]

The bill of course can still be killed. A decent article about it:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100406/ts_csm/292228

What sustained Social Security and Medicare through the years was that they came to be viewed as broad entitlements that helped the middle class as well as the poor.

"Even conservatives who had ideological concerns about these bills couldn't oppose them because they developed such strong middle-class constituencies," says Professor Patashnik. "It's not clear this law will develop a similar level of support."

Nice way of saying the middle class knows it cannot afford this bill and will elect officials that oppose it and will kill it.

"The American people aren't going to take this lying down. The ink isn't even dry and there's a grass-roots revolt over this bill," he added, referring to two states that have voted to reject mandates in the law and 37 others considering such measures or court challenges.

39 out of 50 states... and counting... are officially against this bill.

Nice, only need 4-6 more to reach that 86-90% range that I mentioned above. Also, the state I live in, one of the poorest, is suing.

[WyldStallyn]

This is not a rate change base on market conditions, but entirely precipitated by government interference. Their costs are going up, they pass those cost increases along, it's not really that hard to understand.

how do you know this? do you work for the particular insurance company in question? without facts this is just baseless conjecture.

It's not baseless conjecture, it's common sense. If the insurance companies costs go up, then they have to raise rates to pay for it. The money has to come from somewhere.

when rates have been consistently rising for the last several decades it was because of general cost increases in the health care industry. but this time it is because of government legislation?
THAT is your baseless conjecture. of course rates increases when costs increase. but how can you blame the gov't this time without proof of why they increased rates?

[fezzik]

I'm always fascinated how intelligent people can come to such varied conclusions on an topic.

The only time it's dangerous is when either side is too sure of their "rightness" about issues whose consequences are far from certain or exact. This goes for both sides of any and every issue (whose consequences are uncertain or inexact).

[TheRock]

how do you know this? do you work for the particular insurance company in question? without facts this is just baseless conjecture.

It's not baseless conjecture, it's common sense. If the insurance companies costs go up, then they have to raise rates to pay for it. The money has to come from somewhere.

when rates have been consistently rising for the last several decades it was because of general cost increases in the health care industry. but this time it is because of government legislation?
THAT is your baseless conjecture. of course rates increases when costs increase. but how can you blame the gov't this time without proof of why they increased rates?

Not sure where the confusion is or why you're still beating this dead horse. A bill just passed that will require insurance companies to pick up the tab for anyone's health care that asks for it. And limits how much they can charge for this. Their costs will be going up. Do you really need every employee of every insurance company in America to post here confirming this for you to believe it? Sounds like a good project - you can be in charge of it.

[emb0lus]

I'm always fascinated how intelligent people can come to such varied conclusions on an topic.

The only time it's dangerous is when either side is too sure of their "rightness" about issues whose consequences are far from certain or exact. This goes for both sides of any and every issue (whose consequences are uncertain or inexact).

I agree. In this case, you can find one 'expert' that comes up with a complete 180 deg opposite result from an 'expert' from the opposite camp after 'analyzing the same data', so who do you trust or listen to/read and believe?

The problem with this massive health care undertaking is that there are so many facets that are changing that one person is incapable of sitting down and figuring out what is exactly going to happen until it starts happening..... However (and unfortunately as it seems) I believe we already have seen what is going to happen in the further and yet the HCR was modeled on what Mass has and it seems that the government did not learn from the mistakes of that plan. WHich brings me back to a post I had earlier in that this bill is rushed. Figure out how to make health care for all work in Massachusetts first before applying it to 49 other states.

*** edit: silly me, i forgot that in my own state this also was tried in a smaller fashion and failed - it was called (and still is sort of) TennCare. Make that 2 prior lessons to have learned....

[WyldStallyn]

Not sure where the confusion is or why you're still beating this dead horse. A bill just passed that will require insurance companies to pick up the tab for anyone's health care that asks for it. And limits how much they can charge for this. Their costs will be going up. Do you really need every employee of every insurance company in America to post here confirming this for you to believe it? Sounds like a good project - you can be in charge of it.

Yep, their costs will likely be going up because of the bill. It doesn't matter that most of what was in that bill has not yet kicked in. The latest rise in rates is only because of this legislation, no other possible cause. The prices would have remained stable if this bill was not passed.

Do you really believe that?

Apparently so. But whatever, you are convinced that the government is purely to blame. It's much easier to blame the gov't than to look at all the facts. I'll leave it alone.