dave knight wrote:Granderson is poor value in the 5th. Overrated on the Yankees. Why not wait and take CarGo?
I'd reach multiple rounds for Gonzalez, and one or two rounds for the rest except for Soriano who should be avoided given the price. I don't want Zobrist in the 6th either. I wouldn't reach too far above the 7th for Choo, but he is a good pick around that point.
really? You think Curtis Granderson in the 5th is bad value? He went 30/20 last year. He did bat .249 since I know that will be the rebuttle, but he's a career .270 hitter. The previous two years he batted .280 and .302? I hate the yankees, but that park is a HR park. Grandy could go 35/20 and bat .275 this year EASY. He'll have a better line up around him and be in a better overall situation. Poor value? Then what do you think of werth going in the 4th?
Must be a worse value.
Comparing Cargo to Granderson is foolish as well. Again dont get me wrong I love cargo, i snapped him up last year, i'm on the bandwagon..... BUT we saw 278 AB's last year. Now if you're one of those people that want to just extrapolate his numbers by doubling them and say since he SHOULD get 560+ AB's this year he'll go 26/32 and bat .284 then go ahead, but you're gonna be in for a shocker. Cargo is a very nice player, on a nice team, in a great park, But we've seen a small sample size. The rockies OF is loaded. What if he slumps for a month or so early? do you think the rockies will hesitate to play one of their other OF'ers? Seth Smith? Fowler? Eric Young, they've got a slew of them....
He's never hit more than 23HRS or stole more than 16 in the minors, which yes i know, he was young and still is young ONLY 23 this year, but I DONT think you can expect him to put up granderson type numbers.....
a 25/20 season and a .280 average is what should be expected.
35/20 and .275 from granderson 25/20 and .280 from gonzalez
The power difference is pretty big and i'm GIVING cargo about 5 extra sb's than he ever stole at the minor league level. I wouldn't go crazy to the point of drafting cargo 2-3 rounds before ADP. We saw a small sample size last year and expecting him to just double it etc isn't too smart.
Cargo in the 5th is ridiculous.
I agree wholeheartedly with your Granderson assessment. Also throw in the fact that the Yankees are going to see A LOT of garbage / middle inning relievers as that line-up tears through pitching staffs. Granderson at the top of the order is going to get 650-700 PA's this year. Think about a professional hitter like Jeter getting Granderson moved into scoring position time after time, and ARod and Tex to deal with. I think 30 HRs and 120 Rs is a reasonable expectation if he stays healthy...how many other players on the board can you say that about? I'll tell you this - none that last past the third round, that's for sure.
Granderson isn't expected to lead off. The current idea is to have Jeter, followed by Nick Johnson. Things change, of course, but at least that's what it sounds like now.
Though Girardi shied away from specifics, he hinted at a lineup that would feature Derek Jeter hitting leadoff, followed by Nick Johnson, Mark Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez, Cano, Jorge Posada, Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher and Brett Gardner. Such an order would lace the team's four lefties between its two right-handers and three switch-hitters, creating matchup nightmares late in games.
jackie hayes wrote:Granderson isn't expected to lead off. The current idea is to have Jeter, followed by Nick Johnson. Things change, of course, but at least that's what it sounds like now.
Though Girardi shied away from specifics, he hinted at a lineup that would feature Derek Jeter hitting leadoff, followed by Nick Johnson, Mark Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez, Cano, Jorge Posada, Curtis Granderson, Nick Swisher and Brett Gardner. Such an order would lace the team's four lefties between its two right-handers and three switch-hitters, creating matchup nightmares late in games.
30/20 last year is Granderson's best ever. His career numbers point more to a 25 homer, 15 stolen base campaign where he bats .270 and has good but not great run production at the bottom of the Yankees lineup. If you think that's a 5th rounder, be my guest.
CarGo gives you a slightly better batting average and more steals because Colorado is a very aggressive team. Add in as many or more runs if he's leading off as Grandy, and that's why I'm saying we should wait. Overpaying for career numbers is not something I'm interested in. The body of work is more important. CarGo and Adam Jones may not necessarily be better than Grandy, but they're very close and the ADP is much more palatable.
dave knight wrote:30/20 last year is Granderson's best ever. His career numbers point more to a 25 homer, 15 stolen base campaign where he bats .270 and has good but not great run production at the bottom of the Yankees lineup. If you think that's a 5th rounder, be my guest.
CarGo gives you a slightly better batting average and more steals because Colorado is a very aggressive team. Add in as many or more runs if he's leading off as Grandy, and that's why I'm saying we should wait. Overpaying for career numbers is not something I'm interested in. The body of work is more important. CarGo and Adam Jones may not necessarily be better than Grandy, but they're very close and the ADP is much more palatable.
I think you are underestimating the effect of changing home parks for Granderson. Comerica was 18th in HRs allowed, Yankee Stadium was #1 in 09. Damon hit 24 last year and drove in 82. You don't think Granderson is almost a lock for 30 and 100 as a replacement?
rayfan4life wrote:Thanks for the source. I'd be surprised if that remains in tact. Granderson and Jeter makes more sense to me, but I've been wrong before
Can't agree with this. Granderson has always had a mediocre obp. Right before the Teix, ARod behemoth in the middle, I want as many guys on as possible.
Granderson's more conventional, maybe, because of the speed. But I think Johnson makes better sense.
dave knight wrote:30/20 last year is Granderson's best ever. His career numbers point more to a 25 homer, 15 stolen base campaign where he bats .270 and has good but not great run production at the bottom of the Yankees lineup. If you think that's a 5th rounder, be my guest.
CarGo gives you a slightly better batting average and more steals because Colorado is a very aggressive team. Add in as many or more runs if he's leading off as Grandy, and that's why I'm saying we should wait. Overpaying for career numbers is not something I'm interested in. The body of work is more important. CarGo and Adam Jones may not necessarily be better than Grandy, but they're very close and the ADP is much more palatable.
I think you are underestimating the effect of changing home parks for Granderson. Comerica was 18th in HRs allowed, Yankee Stadium was #1 in 09. Damon hit 24 last year and drove in 82. You don't think Granderson is almost a lock for 30 and 100 as a replacement?
Yup, not to mention, Yankee Stadium is a pull-hitter's haven which matches Granderson well. I don't see how .270/30/20 is a stretch at all and a 5th round price tag is nice for a guy who's practically a bargain Grady Sizemore.
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